Twice as many people die in car accidents *every day*.

[dabeaz@mastodon.social]

@PeterLudemann @shriramk Instead of crashes, we should really be talking about sharks. Do people even realize how much national news coverage is given to shark attacks (and occasionally coyotes)? Am I the only one who notices?!?

[xgebi@hachyderm.io]

@shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe May I ask where did you get your number and which country it applies to?

Also may I ask you to not to manipulate data?

Wikipedia states that in 2022 1759 died in Spain in traffic related accidents which is about 5 people per day. 5 ≠ 39

[peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz]

@dabeaz @shriramk To my surprise, in the US, cars are only 20x more dangerous than trains. Although the US has 3rd world rates of car deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

[peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz]

@dabeaz @shriramk In my neighborhood, coyotes barely get a mention, Even though the occasional dog or cat goes missing.

Besides the commonness of car crashes, I think people have a misplaced sense of control when driving, whereas sharks are completely out of people's control.

[peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz]

@dabeaz @shriramk
And last year there were an all-time high of shark "incidents" in California (10)
https://www.surfer.com/news/shark-attacks-record-breaking-high-california
But I don't know how that translates into deaths per billion surfer kilometers.

[mason@partychickens.net]

@dabeaz @shriramk You, sir, have never witnessed the tragedy of a clown car in an accident.

[greenskyoverme@ohai.social]

@xgebi Oh thx!

[wmd@chaos.social]

@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe but if you like at the EU it's closer to 56 per day: 20.380 in 2023.

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=630784

[wmd@chaos.social]

@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe In the USA closer to 112 per day, 40.990 in 2023.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year

[wmd@chaos.social]

@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe or in 2013; 3.425 per day world wide...

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epidemiology_of_motor_vehicle_collisions&wprov=rarw1

[wmd@chaos.social]

@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe

about 474 per day in india (2023): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g49pgx6d0o

[wmd@chaos.social]

@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe

China had in 2021 either 250.000 or 62.000 depending on who you ask. So 685 p/d vs 170 p/d.

https://asiantransportobservatory.org/analytical-outputs/roadsafetyprofiles/china-road-safety-profile-2025/

[wmd@chaos.social]

@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe russia seems pretty low at 42 per day in 2021:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate

[peterludemann@mathstodon.xyz]

@dabeaz

More sharks! And they attacked! https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/sydney-beaches-close-after-three-shark-attacks-two-days-2026-01-19/

@shriramk

[shriramk@mastodon.social]

@xgebi
My alt text contains the full links to my sources.

I was comparing to US car deaths because this is from a US newspaper. That is *a* reasonable point of comparison: what does the US paper choose to report, or even what it contextualizes (e.g., it could have put that Spanish number in context, whether in Spain or the US).

And finally, it is better to ask questions first and confirm the facts before accusing someone of something as extreme as "manipulat[ing] data".
@GreenSkyOverMe

[greenskyoverme@ohai.social]

@shriramk In the alt text please put a copy of a text from the image so that blind people know what is in the image.
Please put the links in the body of the toot.

[greenskyoverme@ohai.social]

@shriramk If you don’t believe me maybe you will believe blind people: https://beige.party/@NinjaNia/115919731993982921