Twice as many people die in car accidents *every day*.
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@shriramk Yes, but not all in the same car.
@dabeaz @shriramk
Because they're everyday, car crashes aren't news. Train and airplane crashes are news because they're so rare. For trains, 1 passenger death per 5-50 billion passenger-kms (China and Japan best, India and US worst) https://pedestrianobservations.com/2011/06/02/comparative-rail-safety/Also, mist people don't understand statistics.
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@shriramk Yeah. I think two factors shape people's perceptions: one is that car accidents tend to kill one or two people at a time, while train and airplane accidents can have high death tolls.
The other is that paradoxically, train and plane accidents being less common mean that they are more newsworthy. No one writes news stores about everyday traffic violence, but rarer forms of accidents can easily become newsworthy.
Finally, not all trains are equally safe. The new Brightline train system in Florida has a pretty appalling safety record: https://www.wlrn.org/killer-train-brightline-death-toll-surpasses-180-but-safeguards-are-still-lacking
But because the Brightline accidents have generally be one by one, they haven't individually gotten all that much news coverage; it's only when looking at the aggregate that you realize how bad it is. I'm not sure how I heard about it originally, but it's definitely received less coverage than high profile collisions like this one, despite being more deadly overall.
@unlambda Yes to all that, but also, I think people feel they are in control in the car (even though they're not), but feel a lack of control in a plane or train (even though it's driven by much more expert people).
The Brightline story is very complicated and it's really not clear how much of it can be attributed to Brightline per se. But yes, it's a GREAT example of how train accidents can be (not) reported just like car accidents.
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Twice as many people die in car accidents *every day*.
@shriramk #altText4you At least 39 killed in Spain when high-speed trains collide after derailment
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@dabeaz @shriramk
Because they're everyday, car crashes aren't news. Train and airplane crashes are news because they're so rare. For trains, 1 passenger death per 5-50 billion passenger-kms (China and Japan best, India and US worst) https://pedestrianobservations.com/2011/06/02/comparative-rail-safety/Also, mist people don't understand statistics.
@PeterLudemann @shriramk Instead of crashes, we should really be talking about sharks. Do people even realize how much national news coverage is given to shark attacks (and occasionally coyotes)? Am I the only one who notices?!?
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Twice as many people die in car accidents *every day*.
@shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe May I ask where did you get your number and which country it applies to?
Also may I ask you to not to manipulate data?
Wikipedia states that in 2022 1759 died in Spain in traffic related accidents which is about 5 people per day. 5 ≠ 39
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@dabeaz @shriramk
Because they're everyday, car crashes aren't news. Train and airplane crashes are news because they're so rare. For trains, 1 passenger death per 5-50 billion passenger-kms (China and Japan best, India and US worst) https://pedestrianobservations.com/2011/06/02/comparative-rail-safety/Also, mist people don't understand statistics.
@dabeaz @shriramk To my surprise, in the US, cars are only 20x more dangerous than trains. Although the US has 3rd world rates of car deaths. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
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@PeterLudemann @shriramk Instead of crashes, we should really be talking about sharks. Do people even realize how much national news coverage is given to shark attacks (and occasionally coyotes)? Am I the only one who notices?!?
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@dabeaz @shriramk
And last year there were an all-time high of shark "incidents" in California (10)
https://www.surfer.com/news/shark-attacks-record-breaking-high-california
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@shriramk Yes, but not all in the same car.
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@shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe May I ask where did you get your number and which country it applies to?
Also may I ask you to not to manipulate data?
Wikipedia states that in 2022 1759 died in Spain in traffic related accidents which is about 5 people per day. 5 ≠ 39
@xgebi Oh thx!
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@shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe May I ask where did you get your number and which country it applies to?
Also may I ask you to not to manipulate data?
Wikipedia states that in 2022 1759 died in Spain in traffic related accidents which is about 5 people per day. 5 ≠ 39
@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe but if you like at the EU it's closer to 56 per day: 20.380 in 2023.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=630784
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@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe but if you like at the EU it's closer to 56 per day: 20.380 in 2023.
https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?oldid=630784
@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe In the USA closer to 112 per day, 40.990 in 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
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@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe In the USA closer to 112 per day, 40.990 in 2023.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year
@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe or in 2013; 3.425 per day world wide...
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epidemiology_of_motor_vehicle_collisions&wprov=rarw1
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@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe or in 2013; 3.425 per day world wide...
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Epidemiology_of_motor_vehicle_collisions&wprov=rarw1
@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe
about 474 per day in india (2023): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g49pgx6d0o
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@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe
about 474 per day in india (2023): https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g49pgx6d0o
@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe
China had in 2021 either 250.000 or 62.000 depending on who you ask. So 685 p/d vs 170 p/d.
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@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe
China had in 2021 either 250.000 or 62.000 depending on who you ask. So 685 p/d vs 170 p/d.
@xgebi @shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe russia seems pretty low at 42 per day in 2021:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-related_death_rate
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@PeterLudemann @shriramk Instead of crashes, we should really be talking about sharks. Do people even realize how much national news coverage is given to shark attacks (and occasionally coyotes)? Am I the only one who notices?!?
More sharks! And they attacked! https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/sydney-beaches-close-after-three-shark-attacks-two-days-2026-01-19/
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@shriramk @GreenSkyOverMe May I ask where did you get your number and which country it applies to?
Also may I ask you to not to manipulate data?
Wikipedia states that in 2022 1759 died in Spain in traffic related accidents which is about 5 people per day. 5 ≠ 39
@xgebi
My alt text contains the full links to my sources.I was comparing to US car deaths because this is from a US newspaper. That is *a* reasonable point of comparison: what does the US paper choose to report, or even what it contextualizes (e.g., it could have put that Spanish number in context, whether in Spain or the US).
And finally, it is better to ask questions first and confirm the facts before accusing someone of something as extreme as "manipulat[ing] data".
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@xgebi
My alt text contains the full links to my sources.I was comparing to US car deaths because this is from a US newspaper. That is *a* reasonable point of comparison: what does the US paper choose to report, or even what it contextualizes (e.g., it could have put that Spanish number in context, whether in Spain or the US).
And finally, it is better to ask questions first and confirm the facts before accusing someone of something as extreme as "manipulat[ing] data".
@GreenSkyOverMe@shriramk In the alt text please put a copy of a text from the image so that blind people know what is in the image.
Please put the links in the body of the toot. -
@shriramk In the alt text please put a copy of a text from the image so that blind people know what is in the image.
Please put the links in the body of the toot.@shriramk If you don’t believe me maybe you will believe blind people: https://beige.party/@NinjaNia/115919731993982921
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