In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
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To keep a good ol' German meme pattern going
"Alt und tattrig, trotzdem da - engagierte Senioren Antifa"There is "Omas gegen Rechts" for example, for those unaware that this is a thing in Germany.
@Tom_ofB @harkank @SteveBellovin @Cdespinosa @bert_hubert
"Old and frail, yet still there – committed senior Antifa members"
"Grannies Against the Right"
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@SteveBellovin Dont you know that the USSR was the country which really defeat fascism instead of the US which financed them, some American busness people financed the Nazis.
@elorti5 That story is far more complex. Yes, there was noticeable pro-Nazi sentiment in parts of the US and the UK. There was also considerable anti-Nazi sentiment in both countries, including by Churchill and Roosevelt. (And the US had a lot of isolationist sentiment, independent of pro-Nazi types. It is likely that Roosevelt would have entered the war sooner were it not for the isolationists, including in his own party—but the state of the US military was such that it was known in *1940* that a major attack on the European continent couldn't take place until 1944—and Stalin kept begging the US and the UK to launch a second front to reduce the pressure on his forces.) Yes, there USSR suffered far more casualties, and if Hitler hadn't decided to attack the USSR it's far from clear that D-Day could have succeeded. But the USSR and the UK benefited hugely from the output of American industry, and it's far from clear that either could have held out without that, especially once the US entered the war after Germany declared war on the US following the attack on Pearl Harbor.
This is a subject on which I've done a lot of reading—and as I said, it's quite complex. But you're certainly right that few people in the US understand the importance of the Soviet fight, or the losses they took. -
In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
@SteveBellovin Fascism is always a losing gambit thankfully. I think the losers are really scared of their impending doom. They should be.
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@Tom_ofB @harkank @SteveBellovin @Cdespinosa @bert_hubert
"Old and frail, yet still there – committed senior Antifa members"
"Grannies Against the Right"
@benroyce the main point of the meme is that it must rhyme.
(something ironic) trotzdem da
(something something) Antifatrotzdem da, meaning showing up in spite of whatever.
These often go with banger logos, I tried to find a link for you, but didn't find a good single source. image seaching "trotzdem da antifa" brings up a few. I forgot when we had the last thread in my bubble.
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@benroyce the main point of the meme is that it must rhyme.
(something ironic) trotzdem da
(something something) Antifatrotzdem da, meaning showing up in spite of whatever.
These often go with banger logos, I tried to find a link for you, but didn't find a good single source. image seaching "trotzdem da antifa" brings up a few. I forgot when we had the last thread in my bubble.
@Tom_ofB @harkank @SteveBellovin @Cdespinosa @bert_hubert
and even better shouted by thousands
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In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
@SteveBellovin My Uncle Alf landed there, toting a bazooka, fought his way across Europe destroying Nazis.
He was a conservative farmer, and would be absolutely furious with today's "conservatives" supporting Nazi fascism in the USA.
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@harkank for meeeee too! @SrRochardBunson
@cobalt123 @harkank yesss!!!
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In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
@SteveBellovin
My grandfather was in the air that day. 388th bomb group, 8th air force.
Clearing a path for a fascist free Europe.Thanks for the post.
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@SteveBellovin I hear Hegseth is rooting for the other site.
@oclsc @SteveBellovin Or he thinks he doesn't want this brand of wokeness in our military. We need to be focused on lethality, not a larger ideological mission, especially not one based on the woke ideas of 17th and 18th century philosophers. The more I think about it, he might actually root for the other side.
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@SteveBellovin Dont you know that the USSR was the country which really defeat fascism instead of the US which financed them, some American busness people financed the Nazis.
@elorti5 This particular viewpoint omits the entirety of the Pacific campaign, as well as most of what happened in North Africa.
It's called a "world war" for a reason. There were a lot of fascists all around the globe, defeated by many nations that all played a role.
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@elorti5 That story is far more complex. Yes, there was noticeable pro-Nazi sentiment in parts of the US and the UK. There was also considerable anti-Nazi sentiment in both countries, including by Churchill and Roosevelt. (And the US had a lot of isolationist sentiment, independent of pro-Nazi types. It is likely that Roosevelt would have entered the war sooner were it not for the isolationists, including in his own party—but the state of the US military was such that it was known in *1940* that a major attack on the European continent couldn't take place until 1944—and Stalin kept begging the US and the UK to launch a second front to reduce the pressure on his forces.) Yes, there USSR suffered far more casualties, and if Hitler hadn't decided to attack the USSR it's far from clear that D-Day could have succeeded. But the USSR and the UK benefited hugely from the output of American industry, and it's far from clear that either could have held out without that, especially once the US entered the war after Germany declared war on the US following the attack on Pearl Harbor.
This is a subject on which I've done a lot of reading—and as I said, it's quite complex. But you're certainly right that few people in the US understand the importance of the Soviet fight, or the losses they took.@SteveBellovin It's a story that is nearly always brushed under the rug. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-soviet-union-helped-save-the-world-from-hitler-a7020926.html @elorti5
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In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
@SteveBellovin that's November 9th
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In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
@SteveBellovin This image has been in heads of the electorate every time the nation went into the next war.
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Gentlemen, here is a logo that my daughter who is a graphic designer produced for the likes of us.
@SteveBellovin @Cdespinosa
@bert_hubert@harkank @SteveBellovin @Cdespinosa @bert_hubert Please, tell your daughter that I have already passed it to my friends!!! Very very nice!
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In honor of June 6, International Antifa Day.
@SteveBellovin they were making America great for the first time
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