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Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalistsCoxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everythingCoxon: nailed it

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  • aegir@toot.walesA aegir@toot.wales

    @davidgerard @Nickiquote I can’t be the the only person going, “Rationalists? What,like Descartes?”, so, no, not like Descartes. 😒

    https://garden.johanneskleske.com/rationalists

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    #27

    @aegir @davidgerard @Nickiquote that was real good. So much makes sense now (including their "10% AI will kill us"). Thanks for sharing.

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
      Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
      Coxon: nailed it

      found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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      #28

      @davidgerard Speaking of Coxon, I said this yesterday: https://appdot.net/@morrick/117276043729139797

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        @RogerBW @davidgerard sure, but why oppose? Eat meat and drink milk but why fight people who don't?

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        #29

        @tante @davidgerard Fascism is all about declaring an Enemy who is Different. I'm sure this is not news to you.

        (The practical reason for opposition is "if everyone goes vegan, I won't be able to get meat any more" but I think everyone would agree that that's not a likely thing in the immediate future.)

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        • cartyboston@mastodon.roundpond.netC cartyboston@mastodon.roundpond.net

          @davidgerard his skepticism of polyamory may be more imposed on him than anything.

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          #30

          @CartyBoston the rationalists are not a good advertisement, no

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
            Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
            Coxon: nailed it

            found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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            #31

            @davidgerard rationalism is neither a coherent philosophy nor is it rational

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            • gryphonmyers@mastodon.socialG gryphonmyers@mastodon.social

              @dzajew @davidgerard terrible new meaning. See Eliezer Yudkowski

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              #32

              @gryphonmyers
              Thanks, I hate it. Also, per wiki article about this guy: "His fanfiction novel Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality uses plot elements from J. K. Rowling's Harry Potter series to illustrate topics in science and rationality."
              Wtf XD
               @davidgerard

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              • davidgerard@circumstances.runD This user is from outside of this forum
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                #33

                @Dangerous_beans rationalists cover the entire spectrum from libertarian to neoreactionary, all race scientist

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                • aslakr@mastodon.socialA aslakr@mastodon.social

                  @tante @davidgerard His «intuition» is against it

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                  #34

                  @aslakr @tante 10% chance quorn destroys humanity

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                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                    Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
                    Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
                    Coxon: nailed it

                    found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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                    #35

                    @davidgerard “I am intuitively opposed to […] consequentialist intuitions” is an amazing self own.

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                    • jackielovescompchem32@scicomm.xyzJ jackielovescompchem32@scicomm.xyz

                      @davidgerard rationalism is neither a coherent philosophy nor is it rational

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                      #36

                      @jackielovescompchem32 they don't themselves call it "rationalism", they call it "rationality" and themselves "rationalists", as in The Cool Smart Guys Who Are Right that's our proper name you should address us by

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                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                        @simon "i spent ten years in a hotbox with these guys but i didn't inhale"

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                        #37

                        @davidgerard @simon in fact, I learned how to not breathe at all. Ever.

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                        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                          @davidgerard why is he against "veganism"?

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                          #38

                          @tante He doesn't have any "real" arguments. He admits himself its "intuition", but also just a form of ideological signalling to others, pandering to the fascists,... @davidgerard

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                          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                            Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
                            Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
                            Coxon: nailed it

                            found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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                            #39

                            @davidgerard every crevice of this guy's navel has been committed to memory.

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                            • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                              @Dangerous_beans rationalists cover the entire spectrum from libertarian to neoreactionary, all race scientist

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                              #40

                              @davidgerard @Dangerous_beans I actually assume it's because he's distinguishing himself from the "dangerous rationalists" like the Zizians, who are vegan and polyamorous IIRC, and not the "good rationalists" like the fascists who believe that Christian Nationalists in the US are correct about everything practically, they just have the wrong god that they're worshiping

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                              • jer@chirp.enworld.orgJ jer@chirp.enworld.org

                                @davidgerard @Dangerous_beans I actually assume it's because he's distinguishing himself from the "dangerous rationalists" like the Zizians, who are vegan and polyamorous IIRC, and not the "good rationalists" like the fascists who believe that Christian Nationalists in the US are correct about everything practically, they just have the wrong god that they're worshiping

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                                #41

                                @Jer @Dangerous_beans ah didn't click he meant the zizians

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                                  #42

                                  @NewtonMark @davidgerard "I am intuitively opposed to polyamory, veganism, and consequentialist intuitions." 💀

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                                  • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                    Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
                                    Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
                                    Coxon: nailed it

                                    found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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                                    #43

                                    @davidgerard can’t imagine why a dweeby 20-something is hanging out with Silicon Valley’s premier weird sex cult. Completely a surprise, who could ever have seen that one coming.

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                                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                      Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
                                      Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
                                      Coxon: nailed it

                                      found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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                                      #44
                                      @davidgerard@circumstances.run
                                      uniquely able to be correct about topics removed from daily experience
                                      I wonder if they are uniquely able to be correct about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

                                      I certainly trust them to be correct about factual questions
                                      Factual questions, like those that are enmeshed with daily experience, which is what we tend to mean when we refer to "facts". Is he really trying to say "I trust them to be correct about questions concerning daily experience because they have specialized minds that are uniquely able to be correct about topics removed from daily experience."

                                      He thinks we're all living in a giant sudoku puzzle, where we can "be correct" or "be incorrect" and we can know the difference and it's all tidy and easy (if you have a uniquely specialized mind). I suppose that sums up rationalists generally.
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                                      • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                        Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
                                        Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
                                        Coxon: nailed it

                                        found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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                                        #45

                                        @davidgerard Why am I not surprised that Harry Frotter believes in this whole scene? It would also be interesting to know how much he was paid to spout this nonsense to a craven and credulous press.

                                        I suspect the talk about a mutual cessation treaty is entirely down to the people funding this tripe demanding the promised returns on "investment" *right now*, meaning they need another way to say "look over there!" in financial jargon.

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                                        • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                                          Coxon: oh shit don't give away how deep in I am with the rationalists
                                          Coxon: I'm totally not a rationalist, I just hung out with them for a decade because I admire their huge swole brains and how right they are about everything
                                          Coxon: nailed it

                                          found by https://bsky.app/profile/cabernet.bsky.social/post/3mvlmmzpkas2v

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                                          #46

                                          @davidgerard "Look, I don't know if you can call giving truckers handies through a glory hole at the rest stop "sex" per se..."

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