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  • tmw@ioc.exchangeT tmw@ioc.exchange

    @hbons @tante maybe offer to make them a better flyer and draw it on binder paper

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    #14

    @tmw @hbons @tante Don't forget to include your rate.

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    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

      "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

      None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

      The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

      But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

      https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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      #15

      @tante When Meta pays your bills and Silicon Valley’s fascist elite invites you to speak, you tend to change. Usually without noticing.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

        None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

        The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

        But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

        https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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        #16

        @tante It seems to me that some people’s opposition to AI is downright fanatical. It’s one thing to have silly pictures of cats doing human activities; it’s another thing to use AI to help create software, where it’s actually useful.
        This black-and-white rejection of generative AI is childish.

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

          None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

          The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

          But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

          https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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          #17

          @tante man there are layers to this shit onion for sure.

          Don't like the meta involvement. Don't like the pay-to-play attitude for kernel contributions (although I agree that contributions should not be made easy. They shouldn't be made exclusionary as well. It should just depend on code quality). Don't like the overall tone this is worded ("social warrior project")

          Unfortunately Linux is still the least bad alternative in terms of compatibility and support compared to windows and MacOS.

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

            None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

            The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

            But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

            https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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            #18

            @tante The irony of this image. Quite literally took his finger to NVIDIA and shoved it lol.

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            • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

              "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

              None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

              The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

              But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

              https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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              #19

              @tante I continue to call it slop at work. I am not well liked by some coworkers but I don't give a shit, I don't respect them at all. We'll see how long it takes to get reprimanded by HR I guess, but I ain't stopping.

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              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

                None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

                The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

                But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

                https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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                #20

                @tante

                shame, with a side of guillotine. Because these billionaire techno fascists are shameless.

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                • jo@infosec.exchangeJ jo@infosec.exchange

                  @tante I've seen a push to redefine slop as "particularly bad LLM output", as opposed to LLM output in general.

                  "Our new AI tool eliminates slop" my brother in christ you _are_ the slop

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                  #21

                  @jo @tante
                  There are many rational reasons to be anti-AI, trained on stolen data, driving climate change, techbros being assholes aso.
                  But saying: "- No matter how good code it produces, it is still slop!!!!" , that is just going to make you look quite irrational.

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                  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                    "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

                    None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

                    The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

                    But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

                    https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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                    #22

                    @tante How's BSD handling the slop? I might need to switch...

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                    • jo@infosec.exchangeJ jo@infosec.exchange

                      @tante I've seen a push to redefine slop as "particularly bad LLM output", as opposed to LLM output in general.

                      "Our new AI tool eliminates slop" my brother in christ you _are_ the slop

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                      #23

                      @jo @tante "I don't vibe code, what I do is" [list of vibe coding techniques]

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                      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                        "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

                        None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

                        The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

                        But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

                        https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

                        oleksify@mastodon.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #24

                        @tante [1 of 2] The wording is a bit too strong there, blaming wrong people for wrong things. Slop is a result of a developer ignoring the code output. It was there before LLMs, though people have to try harder even if they just copy-paste from StackOverflow without thinking.

                        Author assumed there are AI Overlords, while in reality it’s just a bunch of corrupted and greedy (and mostly crazy) technocrats.

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                        • oleksify@mastodon.socialO oleksify@mastodon.social

                          @tante [1 of 2] The wording is a bit too strong there, blaming wrong people for wrong things. Slop is a result of a developer ignoring the code output. It was there before LLMs, though people have to try harder even if they just copy-paste from StackOverflow without thinking.

                          Author assumed there are AI Overlords, while in reality it’s just a bunch of corrupted and greedy (and mostly crazy) technocrats.

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                          #25

                          @tante [2 of 2] What I want to say, that trashing a person that spent most of his life working on open source software that power almost everything for decision to use or allow LLM-generated code… - well, not nice.

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                          • hbons@mastodon.socialH hbons@mastodon.social

                            @tante though let’s apply it to institutions and powerful individuals first and foremost.

                            I don’t feel like shaming my local takeaway for their slop flyer. 😛

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                            #26

                            @hbons @tante

                            I very much view slop flyers for restaurants through a different lens based on the price of the food and how many locations they have.

                            The cheap take out on the corner: whatever, I might complain a bit if I think they'll listen but unless there is a comparable one without a slop flyer nearby I'm not actually changing anything

                            The local chain with 10 locations around the city: actively looking for alternatives

                            The global chain: probably already boycotting them for other reasons

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                            • gudenau@hachyderm.ioG gudenau@hachyderm.io

                              @tante How's BSD handling the slop? I might need to switch...

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                              #27

                              @gudenau NetBSD says no slop.

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                              • oleksify@mastodon.socialO oleksify@mastodon.social

                                @tante [2 of 2] What I want to say, that trashing a person that spent most of his life working on open source software that power almost everything for decision to use or allow LLM-generated code… - well, not nice.

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                                #28

                                @oleksify @tante You see a fair amount of people here suddenly acting like actually torvalds is dumb and was dumb all along (and also a fascist), which is a really weird form of historical revisionism.

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                                • michal@spondr.czM michal@spondr.cz

                                  @tante It seems to me that some people’s opposition to AI is downright fanatical. It’s one thing to have silly pictures of cats doing human activities; it’s another thing to use AI to help create software, where it’s actually useful.
                                  This black-and-white rejection of generative AI is childish.

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                                  #29

                                  @michal

                                  And quite another thing to torch your planet in the process while gleefully funding fascism.

                                  @tante

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                                  • snaggen@mastodonsweden.seS snaggen@mastodonsweden.se

                                    @jo @tante
                                    There are many rational reasons to be anti-AI, trained on stolen data, driving climate change, techbros being assholes aso.
                                    But saying: "- No matter how good code it produces, it is still slop!!!!" , that is just going to make you look quite irrational.

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                                    #30

                                    @snaggen @jo @tante Nope. It is all slop. Slop is a recycled mix of things of unknown provenance that have some superficial resemblance of what was actually wanted or needed.

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                                    • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                      "I suggest the social action: shame. Shame these people. Their actions are shameful. AI bros hate being shamed and they try to make rules against shaming — because shame works.

                                      None of these people doing shameful things deserve a place in polite company. They should be shamed for their shameful choices.

                                      The AI industry is also running a PR push to redefine common word usage. The word “slop” is also super effective — so the bros really hate “slop” and try to define it to mean slop they don’t like.

                                      But all AI output is slop. It’s social spam. That’s what it’s for. It’s slop! Say “slop” every time."

                                      https://pivot-to-ai.com/2026/10/14/linux-kernel-goes-full-ai-slop-code-hides-chatbot-commits/

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                                      #31

                                      @tante I came up with the phrase "AI-guzzling slop-jockeys" which I'm rather proud of.

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                                      • profpatsch@mastodon.xyzP profpatsch@mastodon.xyz

                                        Being shamed by @tante is like being tickled by a fly. At most annoying

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                                        #32

                                        @Profpatsch @tante I love Mastodon account notes. Clicked thru and was not disappointed by past-me:

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                                        • renardboy@mastodon.socialR renardboy@mastodon.social

                                          @oleksify @tante You see a fair amount of people here suddenly acting like actually torvalds is dumb and was dumb all along (and also a fascist), which is a really weird form of historical revisionism.

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                                          #33

                                          @renardboy @tante Exactly. Also, various corporations contributed tons of code to the Linux kernel. Google, Meta and so on. The problem with such purisms is that they don’t see shit beyond one phrase, word or action of one person at some point in time. Suddenly, that one thing summarize that person.

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