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  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

    Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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    #3

    @mhoye If we didn't learn from the left pad incident, we never will. This is just a new payload for an existing threat vector.

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    • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

      Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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      #4

      @mhoye @cwebber Why the hell does a triage bot have the NPM token in the first place

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      • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

        Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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        #5

        @mhoye This is the real "we're cooked"

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        • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

          Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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          #6

          @mhoye While the whole situation from AI injection down to 'packages can postinstall global packages' is a series of bad to insane decisions, the only thing I really don't understand is ... why install openclaw on machines? Was this trying to achieve something or just show it was possible?

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          • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

            Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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            #7

            @mhoye could you share the source? Thanks in advance

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            • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

              Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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              #8

              @mhoye

              “the CLI binary (dist/cli.mjs) and all other package contents are identical to the legitimate cline@2.2.3 release.
              A corrected version (2.4.0) was published at 11:23 AM PT and 2.3.0 was deprecated at 11:30 AM PT. The compromised token has been revoked and npm publishing now uses OIDC provenance via GitHub Actions.”

              https://github.com/cline/cline/security/advisories/GHSA-9ppg-jx86-fqw7

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              • stepheneb@ruby.socialS stepheneb@ruby.social

                @mhoye

                “the CLI binary (dist/cli.mjs) and all other package contents are identical to the legitimate cline@2.2.3 release.
                A corrected version (2.4.0) was published at 11:23 AM PT and 2.3.0 was deprecated at 11:30 AM PT. The compromised token has been revoked and npm publishing now uses OIDC provenance via GitHub Actions.”

                https://github.com/cline/cline/security/advisories/GHSA-9ppg-jx86-fqw7

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                #9

                @mhoye

                I didn’t know about using “OpenID Connect (OIDC) to authenticate GitHub Actions” and wonder how many surfaces it closes and whether it opens new surfaces?

                https://docs.github.com/en/actions/reference/security/oidc

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                • hennell@phpc.socialH hennell@phpc.social

                  @mhoye While the whole situation from AI injection down to 'packages can postinstall global packages' is a series of bad to insane decisions, the only thing I really don't understand is ... why install openclaw on machines? Was this trying to achieve something or just show it was possible?

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                  #10

                  @hennell @mhoye openclaw is effectively a vulnerability/exploit payload itself, which to AI boosters doesn't seem like one.

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                  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                    Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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                    #11

                    Links:

                    https://grith.ai/blog/clinejection-when-your-ai-tool-installs-another

                    https://github.com/cline/cline/security/advisories/GHSA-9ppg-jx86-fqw7

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                    • endorama@hachyderm.ioE endorama@hachyderm.io

                      @mhoye could you share the source? Thanks in advance

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                      #12

                      @endorama

                      https://grith.ai/blog/clinejection-when-your-ai-tool-installs-another

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                      • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                        Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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                        #13

                        @mhoye
                        Could you provide a source URL to this?

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                        • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                          Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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                          #14

                          @mhoye

                          #infosec

                          Install attack surface as a service.

                          IASaaS

                          No, swap that...

                          Attack Interface Surface as a Service

                          AISaaS

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                          • cdamian@rls.socialC cdamian@rls.social

                            @mhoye
                            Could you provide a source URL to this?

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                            #15

                            @mhoye
                            Found it
                            https://grith.ai/blog/clinejection-when-your-ai-tool-installs-another

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                            • pmc@mastodon.ffcentral.netP pmc@mastodon.ffcentral.net

                              @mhoye @cwebber Why the hell does a triage bot have the NPM token in the first place

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                              #16

                              @pmc @mhoye @cwebber People granting tokens way too much access because it's easier to check a box for 'all' than it is to drill down and consider specifics needed, frequently.

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                              • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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                                #17

                                @mhoye

                                FFS. 👀

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                                • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                  Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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                                  #18
                                  @mhoye

                                  > developers not working in an isolated environment (zone, vm, jail, etc) and letting their devtools access their whole laptop

                                  they deserve it
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                                  • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                    Just absolutely no regard for security at all. None. The entire burden of self-protection shifted to humans alone at their endpoints in systems and communities entirely, foundationally built on mutual trust and trustworthiness.

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                                    #19

                                    @mhoye postinstall was probably the worst thing added to npm - it's been there since the start with absolutely no effort to secure it or remove it

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                                    • feld@friedcheese.usF feld@friedcheese.us
                                      @mhoye

                                      > developers not working in an isolated environment (zone, vm, jail, etc) and letting their devtools access their whole laptop

                                      they deserve it
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                                      #20

                                      @feld "they deserved it" is a childish, bullshit response to systemic problems.

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                                        #21
                                        @joe @mhoye well we used to tell people not to run .exe and .scr etc files on Windows or they'd get a trojan/virus.

                                        A lot of what people do these days on MacOS/Linux is pretty damn close to running untrusted code/binaries
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                                        • feld@friedcheese.usF feld@friedcheese.us
                                          @joe @mhoye well we used to tell people not to run .exe and .scr etc files on Windows or they'd get a trojan/virus.

                                          A lot of what people do these days on MacOS/Linux is pretty damn close to running untrusted code/binaries
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                                          #22
                                          @feld @joe @mhoye have you actually set it up, it's not easy to get a working but reasonably convenient dev system. I've been trying for a while now
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