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  • flesh@transfem.socialF flesh@transfem.social

    @aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au @alice@lgbtqia.space Mind you, a well designed application should not interpret a string saying null as a null value.
    You probably won't pull a Bobby Tables off on Facebook.

    rabidchaos@hachyderm.ioR This user is from outside of this forum
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    #69

    @flesh @alice @aj Probably not. However, corpo software is not always well-designed, and the current crop of layoffs + executives vibe coding make those sorts of vulnerabilities more likely.

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    • jztusk@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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      #70

      @alice @theorangetheme

      Distant memories of hooking together two ELIZA instances...

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      • raindrops_and_roses@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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        wrote on sidst redigeret af
        #71

        @alice @Gorfram ๐Ÿ™

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        • macacator@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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          #72

          @alice @Irenetherogue Nightshade or Glaze every picture you have prior to posting online (I just posted several here if you'd like to share them.)

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          • alan@mindly.socialA alan@mindly.social

            @alice Use a different email address for friggin everything so aggregators can't use it as a primary key.

            not_a_label@toot.lgbtN This user is from outside of this forum
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            not_a_label@toot.lgbt
            wrote on sidst redigeret af
            #73

            @alan @alice I have 92 current, active, email addresses, not counting all the disposable ones I've used over the years - this is just one reason why I shall not be visiting the USA - the immigration paperwork would be a nightmare! ๐Ÿ˜‚

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            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

              The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

              Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

              Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

              Using VPNs set to different locations.

              Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

              Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

              If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

              steven@zeroes.caS This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote on sidst redigeret af
              #74

              @alice These posts all remind me of a 20 year old Canadian novelty song.

              "You see now Wal-Mart thinks I'm 75 year old pensioner
              And Sony thinks I'm a single mother of 10
              The airline company thinks I make 700-grand a year
              And Visa thinks I'm an Inuit woman named Ben"

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eIUOUfhoJ8

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              • hypostase@bsd.networkH hypostase@bsd.network

                @alice I like to select wrong answers on captchas until I get bored.

                amenonsen@flipping.rocksA This user is from outside of this forum
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                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                #75

                @hypostase

                Unfortunatey, I just cannot help clicking on every square that has even the tiniest portion of a traffic light or zebra crossing or motorcycle, even if I know that's going to make me fail the test and have to do it again.

                @alice

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                • not_a_label@toot.lgbtN not_a_label@toot.lgbt

                  @alan @alice I have 92 current, active, email addresses, not counting all the disposable ones I've used over the years - this is just one reason why I shall not be visiting the USA - the immigration paperwork would be a nightmare! ๐Ÿ˜‚

                  alan@mindly.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                  #76

                  @not_a_label @alice Sampling just one of my several domains, I count 330.

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                  • alex@pawb.funA alex@pawb.fun

                    @alice

                    Not a good idea to poison Data - last time someone did that, he wrote bad poetry.

                    veronica@mastodon.onlineV This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                    #77

                    @alex @alice I have the extended version of that in my "pictures from the internet" folder. ๐Ÿ˜

                    mason@partychickens.netM optimisticmoron@mastodon.xyzO farbel@mas.toF brandonscript@appdot.netB theplaguedoc@glitterkitten.co.ukT 12 Replies Last reply
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                    • alex@pawb.funA alex@pawb.fun

                      @alice

                      Not a good idea to poison Data - last time someone did that, he wrote bad poetry.

                      nxskok@cupoftea.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      nxskok@cupoftea.social
                      wrote on sidst redigeret af
                      #78

                      @alex @alice not, I hope, as bad as the Vogons. Or Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings.

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                      • veronica@mastodon.onlineV veronica@mastodon.online

                        @alex @alice I have the extended version of that in my "pictures from the internet" folder. ๐Ÿ˜

                        mason@partychickens.netM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #79

                        @veronica I still chuckle at this one:

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                        • rabidchaos@hachyderm.ioR rabidchaos@hachyderm.io

                          @flesh @alice @aj Probably not. However, corpo software is not always well-designed, and the current crop of layoffs + executives vibe coding make those sorts of vulnerabilities more likely.

                          endlessmason@hachyderm.ioE This user is from outside of this forum
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                          endlessmason@hachyderm.io
                          wrote on sidst redigeret af
                          #80

                          @rabidchaos @flesh @alice @aj
                          If it is treating that null as a proper null there's a good chance there's constraints in place that'll fail and the app won't even check the failure...

                          Which can be fun, or not, depending on if it counts you as logged in after you submit the form or not

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                          • mason@partychickens.netM mason@partychickens.net

                            @veronica I still chuckle at this one:

                            veronica@mastodon.onlineV This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #81

                            @mason Very nice ๐Ÿ˜„

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                            • apriloq@connectop.usA This user is from outside of this forum
                              apriloq@connectop.usA This user is from outside of this forum
                              apriloq@connectop.us
                              wrote on sidst redigeret af
                              #82

                              @alice thanks, guess I have a new weekend project! ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿผโ€โ™€๏ธ๐Ÿคฌ

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                              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

                                unlofl@mstdn.socialU This user is from outside of this forum
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                                unlofl@mstdn.social
                                wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                #83

                                @alice I've got an insidious one, I may end up working on an ecommerce thing with a friend selling parts.

                                This will involve a lot of compatibility data, partly scraped from supplier catalogs, partly from human knowledge and testing on older vehicles where there isn't easily available anything.

                                Obviously we don't let the machines have that, and we can subtly scramble it. We can help make sure AI is the dumbest failure of a mechanic there ever was, and sells people the wrong spark plugs.

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                                • patrick@mendeddrum.orgP patrick@mendeddrum.org

                                  @Gorfram @alice 1970-01-01 is the first date (Unix)computers start to count from and as such a system often falls back to it when no data is available.

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                                  diegomartinez@mstdn.social
                                  wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                  #84

                                  @patrick @Gorfram @alice

                                  It should be noted that there will be something similar to the Year 2000 Problem somewhere in 2038: the common way to represent time, seconds since 1970-01-01 00:00, as a 32 bit number, will wrap around and make computers think they're in the past.

                                  Hopefully(?) we learned from Y2K and are preparing for that event already.

                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

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                                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                    The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                    Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                    Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                    Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                    Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                    Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                    If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

                                    jamesdbartlett3@techhub.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    jamesdbartlett3@techhub.social
                                    wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                    #85

                                    @alice
                                    Agreed on all points except one: If you're providing incorrect data to poison the data broker's systems, please don't just type in a "random" email address unless you're confident that it's not someone's real email address.

                                    On any given day, I receive about a dozen emails from various websites where an email address was required for registration, and someone typed in my email address while providing their "fake" info. Pizza order receipts, airline flight confirmations, golf tee time registrations, etc.

                                    The worst part is that these are misdirected, but otherwise legitimate emails, so I can't just mark them as spam, because that will poison the spam detection algorithm's dataset.

                                    So yeah, if you're gonna type in a fake email address, please make sure that it doesn't belong to someone first, and the easiest way to do that is to use a nonexistent domain, preferably one that no one would ever register, like "${random_guid}.com"

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                                    • djtoebeans@mendeddrum.orgD djtoebeans@mendeddrum.org

                                      @isol @alice

                                      I often use 867-5309. Tell Jenny I said hi!

                                      fiend_unpleasant@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      fiend_unpleasant@mastodon.social
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                                      #86

                                      @djtoebeans @isol @alice

                                      I have gotten discounts on clothes (thanks Raj whoever you are) and I get 10% off store brands (because an employee used that as their alt id on their loyalty card) using the Jenny trick. I hope that I am paying it forward somehow through another loyalty program elsewhere

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                                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                        The goal is to make corporate data less profitable.

                                        Even stuff as simple as setting your birthdate to 1970-01-01 everywhere, adding [TEST] or [DELETED] as your name or account notes anywhere you don't need them to know your name.

                                        Using plugins like AdNauseam to poison ad trackers (and cost them marketing dollars).

                                        Using VPNs set to different locations.

                                        Signing into data broker sites to "correct" outdated info (they'll often let you do that with little-to-no proof of identity, but will require your passport or state ID in order to delete your info). Bonus points if you correct it to someone else's info on their site that's similar to yours.

                                        Only fill in required fields when you sign up for anything, but only provide correct info if it matters for you to use the service, otherwise provide plausible, but incorrect, data.

                                        If you use LLMs anywhere, use the free tier and always vote thumbs up for bad answers and down for good ones. It wastes their resources and drives up their costs while making their training data worse.

                                        sephster@fosstodon.orgS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        sephster@fosstodon.org
                                        wrote on sidst redigeret af
                                        #87

                                        @alice random q but if a data broker stores my info and I'm not a US citizen, is there any easy route to remove. The usual automatic services require you to be a US citizen

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                                        • agturcz@circumstances.runA agturcz@circumstances.run

                                          @w_b @alice This itself does nothing. But if you are javascript programmer, and mess something, this is being shown as a string, instead of the real value. So, this is a result of some bug.

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                                          #88

                                          @agturcz @alice

                                          Thank you. My last real programming was decades ago in C.

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