Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress A lot of fascists are kinds conservative. Since there were no digital computers at the time of Moses, they are opposed to AI. This is not to say they are Luddites. In fact, they despise Luddites because Luddites are humanists.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress "this technology that's being shoved into literally everything, that's primarily geared toward appropriating the commons for the benefit of billionaires and a techno-fascist sex cult, isn't fascist actually, so it's okay that I use it" - a thing that some leftists actually say
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@atax1a @StevenSaus untag me if you are going to argue. Thanks.
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One reason may be because "AI" is a poorly defined term (and intentionally so by the techbros). You (probably) mean a specific *type*, class of AI, or way that it's being used/exploited/leveraged by the fascists not the entire field.
Unless you *are* saying "throw out the breast cancer detecting stuff along with the generative bullshit", in which case... hope that helps explain one possible reason why you're getting push back.
@StevenSaus "it might cure cancer someday later" is marketing propaganda from the slop companies, so this is a weird equivocation for you to be making and kinda undermines your argument
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@atax1a @StevenSaus untag me if you are going to argue. Thanks.
No worries mate, meant what I said; it seemed like you were wondering, so offered a perspective in a friendly way. I suspect we do not actually disagree when you get to the practical layer of application and what to do, etc.
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@StevenSaus "it might cure cancer someday later" is marketing propaganda from the slop companies, so this is a weird equivocation for you to be making and kinda undermines your argument
My point is that "AI" is a sloppy term that is like saying "TV is bad".
Some TV -- most, even -- is bad. Some of it is literally lifesaving.
The "AI" that helps with breast cancer (and other) diagnoses is *NOT* the same thing (or even the same *type* of thing) as a chatbot. Running a locally hosted background remover is not the same thing as a datacenter.
Techbros and marketing hype blur that distinction, to hide how they're being awful about how it's being USED.
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My point is that "AI" is a sloppy term that is like saying "TV is bad".
Some TV -- most, even -- is bad. Some of it is literally lifesaving.
The "AI" that helps with breast cancer (and other) diagnoses is *NOT* the same thing (or even the same *type* of thing) as a chatbot. Running a locally hosted background remover is not the same thing as a datacenter.
Techbros and marketing hype blur that distinction, to hide how they're being awful about how it's being USED.
@StevenSaus the locally hosted models come from the same mechanism (stolen labor) and conception (white supremacist worship of the written word) as the commercial datacenter models. so, no, we're not blurring any distinction here. the technology does not get less fascist when you run it at home.
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My point is that "AI" is a sloppy term that is like saying "TV is bad".
Some TV -- most, even -- is bad. Some of it is literally lifesaving.
The "AI" that helps with breast cancer (and other) diagnoses is *NOT* the same thing (or even the same *type* of thing) as a chatbot. Running a locally hosted background remover is not the same thing as a datacenter.
Techbros and marketing hype blur that distinction, to hide how they're being awful about how it's being USED.
So it is *absolutely* possible to say "datacenters are bad" and "the investor class is stealing our resources for this pipe dream", or that genAI and the chatbots and their frontier models and using it for military applications, etc. are bad.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress I think that’s not entirely true. Because we’re going to need machine guns to beat the machine guns they’ll shoot at us.
Of course don’t make the mistake of trying to use the master’s tools to break the master’s house. But clone and domesticate them to hell.
I don’t intend to bring a spoon to knife fight.
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@StevenSaus the locally hosted models come from the same mechanism (stolen labor) and conception (white supremacist worship of the written word) as the commercial datacenter models. so, no, we're not blurring any distinction here. the technology does not get less fascist when you run it at home.
Okay, that's your perspective. Cool. You seem to have a couple of fundamental assumptions I don't think I agree with in principle or in tone, and that's okay.
Like I told the other guy, I was offering why I didn't agree with the sentence as structured, since it seemed like he was surprised at that response. Not to argue or convince anyone else.
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So it is *absolutely* possible to say "datacenters are bad" and "the investor class is stealing our resources for this pipe dream", or that genAI and the chatbots and their frontier models and using it for military applications, etc. are bad.
@StevenSaus what you're communicating to us with this line of reasoning is that you're fine with the acceleration of fascist technology if it results in cancer cures, so i'm out
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@StevenSaus the locally hosted models come from the same mechanism (stolen labor) and conception (white supremacist worship of the written word) as the commercial datacenter models. so, no, we're not blurring any distinction here. the technology does not get less fascist when you run it at home.
The analog here would be how frustrated you (and I!) get when people say socialism or communism or collective action is bad because of the USSR or China or Pol Pot.
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Okay, that's your perspective. Cool. You seem to have a couple of fundamental assumptions I don't think I agree with in principle or in tone, and that's okay.
Like I told the other guy, I was offering why I didn't agree with the sentence as structured, since it seemed like he was surprised at that response. Not to argue or convince anyone else.
tone
maybe you should reconsider trying to tone-police people on this kinda thing. again, this is a facet of white supremacy culture, specifically right to comfort.
http://whitesupremacyculture.info for further details, though we suspect you'll disregard the suggestion
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tone
maybe you should reconsider trying to tone-police people on this kinda thing. again, this is a facet of white supremacy culture, specifically right to comfort.
http://whitesupremacyculture.info for further details, though we suspect you'll disregard the suggestion
If you're hearing tone policing, that is unintended. I was answering what I perceived as someone asking for information honestly, and declared openly that was my sole intent.
Likewise, I'm not tone policing you, I'm saying that I am acknowledging and accepting that you see things differently than I do and that I am okay with that.
Nothing more or less. Please do not hear what I didn't say.
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If you're hearing tone policing, that is unintended. I was answering what I perceived as someone asking for information honestly, and declared openly that was my sole intent.
Likewise, I'm not tone policing you, I'm saying that I am acknowledging and accepting that you see things differently than I do and that I am okay with that.
Nothing more or less. Please do not hear what I didn't say.
You seem to have a couple of fundamental assumptions I don't think I agree with in principle or in tone
this is literally tone policing, and saying "i'm sorry that you heard that but i didn't mean it" is not an apology. do better.
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tone
maybe you should reconsider trying to tone-police people on this kinda thing. again, this is a facet of white supremacy culture, specifically right to comfort.
http://whitesupremacyculture.info for further details, though we suspect you'll disregard the suggestion
And thank you for the recommendation, by the way. I do appreciate the challenge to my beliefs, even if I don't always immediately agree. It's the only way I am aware of to remove my own upbringing in this patriarchal racist culture.
Tone: genuine; I'm reading now.
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You seem to have a couple of fundamental assumptions I don't think I agree with in principle or in tone
this is literally tone policing, and saying "i'm sorry that you heard that but i didn't mean it" is not an apology. do better.
"If" -> this isn't realtime, I'm having to assume your reaction; this is just a conditional if/then/else.
"You seem to" -> I am not going to tell you what you're thinking, only how it came across to me, as information.
I am sorry that I came across as tone policing.
It was not intended. That does not change the first sentence. It does signal that it was not malicious.
I will own the effect, absolutely. I'm not going to say that it was intentional when it was not.
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