Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress Given how much the billionaire AI techbros are funding fascists, I'm confused how people are missing it
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@joeress Given how much the billionaire AI techbros are funding fascists, I'm confused how people are missing it
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
One reason may be because "AI" is a poorly defined term (and intentionally so by the techbros). You (probably) mean a specific *type*, class of AI, or way that it's being used/exploited/leveraged by the fascists not the entire field.
Unless you *are* saying "throw out the breast cancer detecting stuff along with the generative bullshit", in which case... hope that helps explain one possible reason why you're getting push back.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
So like, will you get buy-in from me in the way it's being used by the investor class to exploit workers and enrich themselves? 100% from me.
As stated without qualifications? Afraid not.
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So like, will you get buy-in from me in the way it's being used by the investor class to exploit workers and enrich themselves? 100% from me.
As stated without qualifications? Afraid not.
I'm sure other people have different opinions, but that's why there's a disconnect for me between the statement as originally presented. Not arguing; it seemed like you were uncertain why you weren't getting the response you expected, so offering information. Genuine offer of information, nothing more.
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@joeress Given how much the billionaire AI techbros are funding fascists, I'm confused how people are missing it
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
Anti-genAI*
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress I'm anti fascist and anti-AI, but am still in the process of understanding how AI is inherently fascist beyond the issue of it being created and funded by fascists for fascist purposes and based on the exploitation of underpaid people from third world countries. -
Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress A lot of fascists are kinds conservative. Since there were no digital computers at the time of Moses, they are opposed to AI. This is not to say they are Luddites. In fact, they despise Luddites because Luddites are humanists.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress "this technology that's being shoved into literally everything, that's primarily geared toward appropriating the commons for the benefit of billionaires and a techno-fascist sex cult, isn't fascist actually, so it's okay that I use it" - a thing that some leftists actually say
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@atax1a @StevenSaus untag me if you are going to argue. Thanks.
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One reason may be because "AI" is a poorly defined term (and intentionally so by the techbros). You (probably) mean a specific *type*, class of AI, or way that it's being used/exploited/leveraged by the fascists not the entire field.
Unless you *are* saying "throw out the breast cancer detecting stuff along with the generative bullshit", in which case... hope that helps explain one possible reason why you're getting push back.
@StevenSaus "it might cure cancer someday later" is marketing propaganda from the slop companies, so this is a weird equivocation for you to be making and kinda undermines your argument
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@atax1a @StevenSaus untag me if you are going to argue. Thanks.
No worries mate, meant what I said; it seemed like you were wondering, so offered a perspective in a friendly way. I suspect we do not actually disagree when you get to the practical layer of application and what to do, etc.
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@StevenSaus "it might cure cancer someday later" is marketing propaganda from the slop companies, so this is a weird equivocation for you to be making and kinda undermines your argument
My point is that "AI" is a sloppy term that is like saying "TV is bad".
Some TV -- most, even -- is bad. Some of it is literally lifesaving.
The "AI" that helps with breast cancer (and other) diagnoses is *NOT* the same thing (or even the same *type* of thing) as a chatbot. Running a locally hosted background remover is not the same thing as a datacenter.
Techbros and marketing hype blur that distinction, to hide how they're being awful about how it's being USED.
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My point is that "AI" is a sloppy term that is like saying "TV is bad".
Some TV -- most, even -- is bad. Some of it is literally lifesaving.
The "AI" that helps with breast cancer (and other) diagnoses is *NOT* the same thing (or even the same *type* of thing) as a chatbot. Running a locally hosted background remover is not the same thing as a datacenter.
Techbros and marketing hype blur that distinction, to hide how they're being awful about how it's being USED.
@StevenSaus the locally hosted models come from the same mechanism (stolen labor) and conception (white supremacist worship of the written word) as the commercial datacenter models. so, no, we're not blurring any distinction here. the technology does not get less fascist when you run it at home.
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My point is that "AI" is a sloppy term that is like saying "TV is bad".
Some TV -- most, even -- is bad. Some of it is literally lifesaving.
The "AI" that helps with breast cancer (and other) diagnoses is *NOT* the same thing (or even the same *type* of thing) as a chatbot. Running a locally hosted background remover is not the same thing as a datacenter.
Techbros and marketing hype blur that distinction, to hide how they're being awful about how it's being USED.
So it is *absolutely* possible to say "datacenters are bad" and "the investor class is stealing our resources for this pipe dream", or that genAI and the chatbots and their frontier models and using it for military applications, etc. are bad.
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Being anti-AI is part of being anti-fascist. Odd that some people still don't get that.
@joeress I think that’s not entirely true. Because we’re going to need machine guns to beat the machine guns they’ll shoot at us.
Of course don’t make the mistake of trying to use the master’s tools to break the master’s house. But clone and domesticate them to hell.
I don’t intend to bring a spoon to knife fight.
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@StevenSaus the locally hosted models come from the same mechanism (stolen labor) and conception (white supremacist worship of the written word) as the commercial datacenter models. so, no, we're not blurring any distinction here. the technology does not get less fascist when you run it at home.
Okay, that's your perspective. Cool. You seem to have a couple of fundamental assumptions I don't think I agree with in principle or in tone, and that's okay.
Like I told the other guy, I was offering why I didn't agree with the sentence as structured, since it seemed like he was surprised at that response. Not to argue or convince anyone else.
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So it is *absolutely* possible to say "datacenters are bad" and "the investor class is stealing our resources for this pipe dream", or that genAI and the chatbots and their frontier models and using it for military applications, etc. are bad.
@StevenSaus what you're communicating to us with this line of reasoning is that you're fine with the acceleration of fascist technology if it results in cancer cures, so i'm out
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@StevenSaus the locally hosted models come from the same mechanism (stolen labor) and conception (white supremacist worship of the written word) as the commercial datacenter models. so, no, we're not blurring any distinction here. the technology does not get less fascist when you run it at home.
The analog here would be how frustrated you (and I!) get when people say socialism or communism or collective action is bad because of the USSR or China or Pol Pot.
