GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur my roommate uses Krita as a hobbyist and says he really likes it. And he, quite reasonably, hates GIMP.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur My acid test is usually "can I do a white-balance by just pointing at an area I know is white / neutral grey" and my recollection of gimp is it failed miserably.
IIRC, none of the open source image editors do this properly. Even a video camera (dedicated kind) will let you point the cam at a white reference object and press a "WB" button and that's it. Not really interested in a WB that is only "automatic" since the program probably won't understand the composition properly.
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@baldur I learned the old GIMP UI after some years, and then theu changed it and made even more confusing...
It was programmer-oriented from the beginning.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur if you need something less Illustrator...ive, I can recommend Pinta
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@baldur We're trying to change that - we now have a UX design site where we track UX issues, request user feedback, and try to make more thoughtful design decisions after discussion and testing.
If you're interested in contributing your thoughts (or just want to see the reported issues thus far), more information is here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/GIMP/Design/gimp-ux/-/work_items
We're also starting to document design decisions for future review: https://testing.developer.gimp.org/core/specifications/
@CmykStudent I will believe you are serious about doing better, once you have changed the name.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur Krita is fantastic. I use it regularly for illustration, and I'll probably start using it more than that other software for image correction since Krita's nondestructive filter layers and masks give you a lot of flexibility.
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@baldur We're trying to change that - we now have a UX design site where we track UX issues, request user feedback, and try to make more thoughtful design decisions after discussion and testing.
If you're interested in contributing your thoughts (or just want to see the reported issues thus far), more information is here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/Teams/GIMP/Design/gimp-ux/-/work_items
We're also starting to document design decisions for future review: https://testing.developer.gimp.org/core/specifications/
@CmykStudent I mean, I hope that pans out, and that it pays off for the project
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@baldur if you need something less Illustrator...ive, I can recommend Pinta
@clayote Will have a look, thanks.
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@baldur Krita is fantastic. I use it regularly for illustration, and I'll probably start using it more than that other software for image correction since Krita's nondestructive filter layers and masks give you a lot of flexibility.
@TopazRabbit Cool.
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@CmykStudent I will believe you are serious about doing better, once you have changed the name.
@clayote We do have a proof-of-concept merge request to change the name: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/2786
(And then we immediately got uproar from the other side of itt: https://lemmy.world/post/46080825)
I think it will happen, but it's an involved process with a lot of things to watch for (like something taking over GIMP.org and using it for malware).
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
I found GnuImp so unintuitive and clunky, and it's ugly too. Krita is a dream to use and it does everything and it looks great. No contest.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur Gosh, my non-computer savvy wife, who I introduced to GIMP at least a decade ago, was explaining to me proudly just yesterday how she manipulated images to produce facsimiles of those on fabric that she then added to her art. I, on the other hand, not being particularly graphic editor-minded, do find its UI non-intuitive.
And as one who has limped for decades from a bad knee, getting worse with age,I always thought the name gave those of us with disabilities a bit more visibility.
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@clayote We do have a proof-of-concept merge request to change the name: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gimp/-/merge_requests/2786
(And then we immediately got uproar from the other side of itt: https://lemmy.world/post/46080825)
I think it will happen, but it's an involved process with a lot of things to watch for (like something taking over GIMP.org and using it for malware).
@CmykStudent "From GIMP team: We are NOT rebranding GIMP"
i was talking about the branding...
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@CmykStudent I mean, I hope that pans out, and that it pays off for the project
@baldur I believe it already has - we have some active design volunteers who have really contributed to implementing better UX going forward and pointing out existing improvements.
There's some "bigger" design work going on too which we hope to implement as it is finalized, but a lot of papercut UX issues (and larger) are being corrected already.
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@CmykStudent "From GIMP team: We are NOT rebranding GIMP"
i was talking about the branding...
@clayote That was in response to the social media storm I linked (200+ posts!) - it's a proof-of-concept right now and we didn't want people to get worked up about a particular name being selected.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur my wife is a painter and a graphic designer, and she swears by krita.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur not a week go by without me saying “well yes, it has the look and feel of open source, but…”.
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@baldur I believe it already has - we have some active design volunteers who have really contributed to implementing better UX going forward and pointing out existing improvements.
There's some "bigger" design work going on too which we hope to implement as it is finalized, but a lot of papercut UX issues (and larger) are being corrected already.
@CmykStudent Sounds good.
I'll keep an eye on future releases then. -
I found GnuImp so unintuitive and clunky, and it's ugly too. Krita is a dream to use and it does everything and it looks great. No contest.
@emma_cogdev @baldur I switched from GnuImp (I refuse to use the "official" name) to Krita and it's so much better.
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RE: https://mas.to/@zzt/116748965255528053
GIMP‘s hostility to users actually being able to productively use it is legendary as is its disdain for people showing concern about its name. It’s genuinely poisoned the well for the adoption of OSS creativity software.
(I need to try out Krita, though, which looks much more solid.)
@baldur the one thing that, i've been told, somehow reduces the gnu image manipulation program's usage pains is applying the photoshop-compatible keyboard shortcut scheme.
but that's basically only an option for people who already know photoshop by rote and can go by without looking for knobs and buttons in the ui.
