Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.
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@Gina If a lot of us pool our resources, maybe we can start a new tech community somewhere nice
@elricofmelnibone ooh lets go to one of the abandoned villages in Italy!
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Okay so, I'm still not 100% sure whether I'm making the right choice. I always thought I'd end up in a nice farm house in France, but because of tax reasons France is not an option. And because of weather reasons the whole of Northern Europe isn't an option
So it basically comes down to Spain
or Italy. 
Edit: I'm staying in Europe to minimise timezone differences. #moveabroad
@Gina the north of Spain is awesome and feels like the perfect balance in terms of weather and nature
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It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:
- sunny and coastal
- green nature
- access to outdoor sports
- a tech community around
- an expat community that is not retirees
- generally educated populace around
- indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
- able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
- within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
- mountains would be cool@Gina Galicia or Basque Country should fit that description for the most part. I'm totally biased but check out A Coruña
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@Gina the north of Spain is awesome and feels like the perfect balance in terms of weather and nature
@ryzokuken I'm considering visiting Bilbao and San Sebastian in september. Does it really rain all the time there? 🥲
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Milton Keynes looking ever more attractive, I imagine.
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You know what else doesn't help? Italy
being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲On the other hand, Spain
is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.@Gina Italy has been experiencing levels of emigration similar to the late 1800s and early 1900s waves (I am also an Italian emigrant), for at least a decade.
The press and politics seem to refuse to mention it, but... the Italians that can, go away (not all, but... many).
(my info/numbers might be old/wrong, willing to hear otherwise by anyone that is better informed. Anecdotally, I know serveral that moved abroad just in my circle of friends, unrelated to my job)
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@ryzokuken I'm considering visiting Bilbao and San Sebastian in september. Does it really rain all the time there? 🥲
@Gina it rains quite a bit relatively but the cities are designed very well to avoid any serious issues and usually its a bit of a drizzle anyway.
Think more of constant grey humid drizzle than actual raindrops...
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You know what else doesn't help? Italy
being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲On the other hand, Spain
is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.@Gina Italy is wonderful except for the bureaucracy, which is inefficient and random.
Also some people have a strange hobby called "denunciare"
Wouldn't disregard it though.
Spain has virtually free housing in remote areas of Galicia, which is quite a nice area. Of course that's because the towns are being abandoned.
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@Gina @_elena @marcel interesting I will share you a point from my exp. If you like good quality ( general speaking ) and easy to find: go to Italy - if you like more tech community go to Barcelona. From my point Girona is to small at all aspects. ( I live in BCN since 2016 ) my family is half Italian. Other good point is if you need move forward your business by using good places, community, networking, etc I think Spain wins here.
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If concerned about temperatures, consider Camprodon (Girona) and nearby.
@albertcardona @Gina got hackers?
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It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:
- sunny and coastal
- green nature
- access to outdoor sports
- a tech community around
- an expat community that is not retirees
- generally educated populace around
- indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
- able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
- within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
- mountains would be cool@Gina Aside from the house prices, Switzerland (I was in Lausanne) ticks those boxes.
Across the lake is still lovely (Evian), but you mentioned France was out. -
You know what else doesn't help? Italy
being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲On the other hand, Spain
is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places. -
It doesn't help that I'm a snobby little Goldilocks that is searching for a place that feels "just right" based on:
- sunny and coastal
- green nature
- access to outdoor sports
- a tech community around
- an expat community that is not retirees
- generally educated populace around
- indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio
- able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k.
- within 1.5 hrs of an international airport
- mountains would be cool@Gina If it weren't for Brexit, I would seriously consider moving back to Wales. Doesn't quite tick all the boxes, but a majority of them.
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@Gina Italy is wonderful except for the bureaucracy, which is inefficient and random.
Also some people have a strange hobby called "denunciare"
Wouldn't disregard it though.
Spain has virtually free housing in remote areas of Galicia, which is quite a nice area. Of course that's because the towns are being abandoned.
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@VincentTunru lol that would be hilarious. But then I'd live in Drenthe or Limburg.
Edit: also yes, Slovenia looks awesome. Very green and mountainous.
@Gina Possibly the only way to get a sub-€500k house with a garden.
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You know what else doesn't help? Italy
being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲On the other hand, Spain
is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.@Gina Currently visiting Oviedo in Asturias (from Porto, PT where I live). It seems to check a lot of the boxes you listed. (I think the airport might be a problem though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asturias_Airport ) Asturias is beautiful with mountains, beaches, unique and wonderful cider and great food. We come here from Porto once or twice a year.
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You know what else doesn't help? Italy
being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲On the other hand, Spain
is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.@Gina Portugal has a big tech center, but Lisbon prices (central) are London/Brighton/Amsterdam alike, but perhaps more manageable further out of the city.
