Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
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Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
@afewbugs There is not. There was a third party plugin which added support for household-oriented chore tracking but it is unmaintained. Your further conjecture has the ring of truth, in my experience.
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The first type is the one that tends to get celebrated, awarded and rewarded, the second type are necessary for everyone to stay healthy and everything to keep ticking over, to create an environment in which the first type that impresses everyone can happen. At home we call these housework or care work, in a professional context we call them routine maintenance or "glue"
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I've been thinking about this in the context of sustainability. We do over-value the new, when most of the work in the world is maintenance.How do we as a society shift what we value? Sure, ditch patriarchy, but it's a value heavily ingrained in society.
UBI would likely do it - a lot of "unskilled" but essential work would pay a lot better.
But I also wonder if we could somehow shift also with media or education.
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Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
@afewbugs the CalDAV protocol isn't clear on this, so not natively, but you can use apps like Tasks.org or macOS/iOS Reminders app and it works well.
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@christianlupus From my perspective the way Todoist does it works very well, you mark the task as completed and it reappears the next day/in whatever interval you set it to reappear
@afewbugs Ok, I see you have some clear understanding in mind how it should work.
What should happen if a task is not done in time? Duplication or "nothing"?
What happens if you change the tasks details (title, description, progress, time, reminder) while the task is still active (not yet done)? What happens if it is already done? Is the task even there after being done?
You should be able to formulate a clear feature request to see if it gets some traction.
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Guess which one usually gets handed to which gender. Men tend to get the one off high profile, highly regarded tasks (build the shed or the kitchen or the database), women tend to get the recurring tasks (clean the house, make sure the invoices are paid on time) that don't get the respect the one off tasks get but without which the big one off projects couldn't happen.
@afewbugs So they never learn from their mistakes because someone else pays the price on their behalf. Or is it 'takes their punishment'? I don't believe in development and maintenance teams. The '10x developers' (or 1000x with their AI slave) need to be slowed down, to deal with the consequences of their massive egos. We want those who write code that doesn't break to write more code, not them. The rock stars break too many TVs.
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
@ljrk @afewbugs I remember watching in amazement as software companies (who should have known better) tried to pretend that 'project management', calendars, events, meetings, meeting rooms (locations) and tasks were independent things. They failed to adequately identify and model the 'atoms' that business processes must model. Then we started to use distributed networks in different time zones and we were into Relativity and Space-Time, inadequately armed.
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@paavi @worik @ljrk @afewbugs Yes, if 'co-located', or "in the same place" to normal people :-). An ex-colleague told me about working for a UK supermarket which outsourced software development tasks to India. The work was done over-night. A physical Kanban board was manually copied at the end of the working day in each country. That's clearly a job that software could do more reliability.
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@paavi @worik @ljrk @afewbugs Yes, if 'co-located', or "in the same place" to normal people :-). An ex-colleague told me about working for a UK supermarket which outsourced software development tasks to India. The work was done over-night. A physical Kanban board was manually copied at the end of the working day in each country. That's clearly a job that software could do more reliability.
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@mandarvaze It's not a joke. There are some chores I can't keep track of without reminders, when you can't see whether the thing needs doing or has been done (giving someone meds or taking them yourself for example) is something I find helpful to mark off, or things that don't happen every day (change the sheets every seven days, send the meter reading the first working day of the month)
@afewbugs Got it.
For non-daily chores, I use alarm on my phone. If it is every week at specific time, alarm if enough.
For 1st of the month/quarter, I do use recurring task.
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@afewbugs Got it.
For non-daily chores, I use alarm on my phone. If it is every week at specific time, alarm if enough.
For 1st of the month/quarter, I do use recurring task.
@mandarvaze I'm glad phone alarms work for you, but respectfully, responding to a complaint about a task manager not working for the tasks I need it for by suggesting I don't use a task manager isn't terribly helpful to me
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@mandarvaze I'm glad phone alarms work for you, but respectfully, responding to a complaint about a task manager not working for the tasks I need it for by suggesting I don't use a task manager isn't terribly helpful to me
@afewbugs I was just sharing what works for me.
I didn't suggest you should do the same.
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So we've strayed a very long way from Nextcloud's task manager, but the older I get the more I see "Who does the dishes after the revolution?" as one of the first questions that should be asked in any progressive space. I've seen at permaculture camps where the men wander off to form a drumming circle while the women set up the cooking rotas and compost station. I've seen it at the meetings where the men stand up and give inspiring speeches while the women organise drinks and take the minutes
@afewbugs I did love that one local permaculture space I used to go to has a role that women weren't allowed to do dishes, to head off this problem.
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@afewbugs I did love that one local permaculture space I used to go to has a role that women weren't allowed to do dishes, to head off this problem.
@scroeser that's a great rule!
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If you build a task manager without the facility to do recurring tasks that tells me a) you're not the one doing the recurring maintenance tasks and b) you either don't recognise the importance of maintenance tasks or you haven't even noticed that they're being done around you to allow you to do the big one off production of a European open source task manager, say.
Come on, it's 2026. Do better men. And it is mostly men.
@afewbugs I do the recurring tasks but I'm not sure I could do them on a schedule. For example: Yesterday I bought bin bags and tipped the stuff out of the bins into them and put them by the door. If I had a task telling me to bring down the rubbish on Saturday I wouldn't have completed it. I'm having a nap now and then I'll do them!
After that I may write a to do list in my paper diary and see how much of it I can get done today. It's never everything. I don't think I'm too male for this but probably too old and too Irish. The "ah fuck it, it can wait" is strong with me
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@ljrk I use Todoist which works really well, but as I'm looking at European alternatives and already use NextCloud for file storage I thought I'd take a look at their task manager
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Oh and before anyone says "Oh but women are good at recurring maintenance tasks because they're naturally good at multitasking": 1) saying this will earn you a block. 2) No, we're not, we had to learn to be. That's why I need a task manager to tell me to keep on top of things like that. If you're willing to put in your share of the work to maintain a healthy, functional environment both at home and at work you can learn too
@afewbugs Yeah, nobody is good at multitasking. The brain doesn't support multitasking, so there is nothing "natural" about it. One can only give the illusion of multitasking. Maybe that's one of those witchcraft skills some women have
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Guess which one usually gets handed to which gender. Men tend to get the one off high profile, highly regarded tasks (build the shed or the kitchen or the database), women tend to get the recurring tasks (clean the house, make sure the invoices are paid on time) that don't get the respect the one off tasks get but without which the big one off projects couldn't happen.
@afewbugs since this thread just popped up in my timeline again: I recently came across this relevant song:
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
@ljrk @afewbugs I was trying to de-Google, and I was most thinking about Gmail, but the calendar turned out to be much more challenging, particularly because I'd got used to Tasks being associated with the calendar. I found out I wasn't alone in missing that. My new email service also offered calendars through CalDAV, and I started to dig into the options, and it all got terribly confusing. Just connecting to basic calendars was confusing enough, especially with Android. Then I started looking into Journals and Tasks, and it looks like CalDAV specifically supports them, but each client involved implemented Tasks very differently, and I never found a satisfactory solution.
I was also apprehensive about working through this with my partner, who relies on calendar reminders quite a lot, and we've had uncomfortable disagreements about how to organize shared calendars in the past, though I think we were both aware of that history and more patient with each other about it.
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