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A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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  • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

    @lerxst @mhoye mmhmmm. Amazing how the women got pushed out, I guess because it was seen as something that the clever men should do and be well paid for...

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    #20

    @lerxst @mhoye the way I see it, it *should* be an ideal job for a parent (whether male, female, NB), with good opportunities to work async, part time, from home.

    Sadly structural stuff, mandatory meetings, the so many "ritual" meetings make the async part-timeness more difficult.

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    • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

      @lerxst @mhoye the way I see it, it *should* be an ideal job for a parent (whether male, female, NB), with good opportunities to work async, part time, from home.

      Sadly structural stuff, mandatory meetings, the so many "ritual" meetings make the async part-timeness more difficult.

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      #21

      @sarajw @mhoye So many meetings could be literally two Slack or even IRC messages per person.

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      • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

        @mhoye didn't know that either.

        Honestly man the more I learn about women in computing in history, the madder I am about the state of tech today.

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        #22

        @sarajw @mhoye On that note, I recently learned about how the original group of ENIAC programmers were all women. One of them is credited with having invented the debugger breakpoint.

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        • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

          On a more serious note, I didn't realize that Hamilton coined the term "software engineer".

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          #23

          @mhoye I read that she also coined the term "test harness"

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          • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

            A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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            #24

            @mhoye On the other hand, Michael Collins did have to turn something off and on again to fix a problem

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            • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

              A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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              #25

              @mhoye I use the first pic to teach the difference between the purpose of a caption and alt text, with a guerilla casual mention of how much we owe Hamilton and similar minimized women.

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              • janxdevil@sfba.socialJ janxdevil@sfba.social

                @sarajw @mhoye On that note, I recently learned about how the original group of ENIAC programmers were all women. One of them is credited with having invented the debugger breakpoint.

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                #26

                @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye yep. Kay McNulty was one of them, from just a bit up the road from my house. https://www.womensmuseumofireland.ie/exhibits/kay-mcnulty

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                  #27

                  @spacehobo is it just going to make me more mad or give me something constructive to do about it?

                  Otherwise nowadays I can only cope with fiction, novels, I need the escapism...

                  @lerxst @mhoye

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                  • hyc@mastodon.socialH hyc@mastodon.social

                    @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye yep. Kay McNulty was one of them, from just a bit up the road from my house. https://www.womensmuseumofireland.ie/exhibits/kay-mcnulty

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                    #28

                    @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye they have a monument dedicated to her at her birthplace now. I like to visit it every year...

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                      #29

                      @spacehobo @lerxst @mhoye thank you either way, I'd like to know but it might make me feel very frustrated about what could have been..

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                      • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                        A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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                        #30

                        @mhoye

                        In 2017 Margaret Hamilton was inducted into the Computer History Museum's Hall of Fellows. On that occasion I was privileged to accompany her on a private, docent-guided tour of the Museum's public display.

                        She looked about the same as she does in these pictures from the 1960s, albeit a little grayer; a bright, diminutive grandma.

                        But she was very humble and human. At one point we rounded a corner into the Apollo section. Prominently in the front of the exhibit was a reproduction of your left-hand photo. Upon seeing it, Margaret stopped and exclaimed, "Oh my gosh! Is that me?"

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                        • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

                          @mhoye didn't know that either.

                          Honestly man the more I learn about women in computing in history, the madder I am about the state of tech today.

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                          #31

                          @sarajw @mhoye she coined the term to remind everyone that the software running the show was just as important as the engineering that went into the rest of the mission.

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                          • craignicol@glasgow.socialC craignicol@glasgow.social

                            @sarajw @mhoye she coined the term to remind everyone that the software running the show was just as important as the engineering that went into the rest of the mission.

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                            #32

                            @craignicol @mhoye absolutely!

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                            • hyc@mastodon.socialH hyc@mastodon.social

                              @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye they have a monument dedicated to her at her birthplace now. I like to visit it every year...

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                              #33

                              @janxdevil @sarajw @mhoye I don't recall any of these women being mentioned in my courses at UMich. But I knew Grace Hopper coined "computer bug" (but it was an actual bug, a moth, that fried itself on a circuit). Probably just picked up in outside reading. I learned about Kay from reading about ENIAC, because the EECS department had a slice of it (1/10th) on display. I learned about Margaret because... a colleague of mine at the UM Computing Center looked like her. https://websites.umich.edu/~umvm/MIDAC/midac_eniac.html

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                              • mhoye@cosocial.caM mhoye@cosocial.ca

                                A picture of Margaret Hamilton, programmer for the Apollo space program, standing next to not one single microsoft error message or bluetooth problem.

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                                #34

                                @mhoye What's lost there to people not of a certain age is that she's standing next to Source Code Control. Diffs were done manually by setting inches-thick listings of versions of modules down side-by-side, then flipping through them to eyeball changes and make notes.

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                                • swiftone@mastodon.onlineS swiftone@mastodon.online

                                  @mhoye I use the first pic to teach the difference between the purpose of a caption and alt text, with a guerilla casual mention of how much we owe Hamilton and similar minimized women.

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                                  @swiftone @mhoye do you have those examples of the caption and alt text to hand?

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                                  • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

                                    @lerxst @mhoye mmhmmm. Amazing how the women got pushed out, I guess because it was seen as something that the clever men should do and be well paid for...

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                                    #36

                                    @sarajw @lerxst @mhoye here's a decent article on the subject (despite being on the guardian) https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2017/aug/10/how-the-tech-industry-wrote-women-out-of-history

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                                    • eons@mastodon.gamedev.placeE eons@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                      @sarajw @lerxst @mhoye here's a decent article on the subject (despite being on the guardian) https://www.theguardian.com/careers/2017/aug/10/how-the-tech-industry-wrote-women-out-of-history

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                                      #37

                                      @eons @lerxst @mhoye thank you.

                                      I'm well aware how a lot of it happened - every time I learn a new detail it's more maddening

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                                      • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

                                        @eons @lerxst @mhoye thank you.

                                        I'm well aware how a lot of it happened - every time I learn a new detail it's more maddening

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                                        #38

                                        @eons yeeep:

                                        "But by the 1970s, there was a change in mindset and women were no longer welcome in the workplace: the government and industry had grown wise to just how powerful computers were and wanted to integrate their use at a management level. “But they weren’t going to put women workers – seen as low level drones – in charge of computers,” explains Hicks. Women were systematically phased out and replaced by men who were paid more and had better job titles."

                                        @lerxst @mhoye

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                                        • sarajw@front-end.socialS sarajw@front-end.social

                                          @eons yeeep:

                                          "But by the 1970s, there was a change in mindset and women were no longer welcome in the workplace: the government and industry had grown wise to just how powerful computers were and wanted to integrate their use at a management level. “But they weren’t going to put women workers – seen as low level drones – in charge of computers,” explains Hicks. Women were systematically phased out and replaced by men who were paid more and had better job titles."

                                          @lerxst @mhoye

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                                          Also:

                                          If women had continued to be a major force in computing, instead of being sidelined, the way the tech industry looks today would have been very different, she argues. “If women had been a more important part of the high tech industry all along, would so many platforms and apps have the same problems with rampant sexism and misogyny both in their workplaces and their products? Most likely not.”

                                          @eons @lerxst @mhoye

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