The Aesthetic Rebellion
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@doctormo Yes, interesting time and I hope many artists will face the challenge and see that as an opportunity to depart from the modern days AAA style of commercial "high quality graphics". There is something to do, learning from the Modern art punks, or the Punk movement directly
@davidrevoy
I think my work is already rough enough.
Makes me sad, in a way.
Also reminds of something I heard about handmade weavers and other artisans: which is that they would intentionally make occasional "errors" to differentiate their work from the machine-made stuff.
I don't know how one would actually verify or refute that, but it seemed plausible enough.
Also a bit like the popularity of coarse-ground breads in the 20th century after centuries of bakers struggling to make their product purer and smoother.
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@davidrevoy I think I've figured something that might be the reason why some people feel like your art feel generated, it's the text bubbles.
I know the text comes from SVGs since that's what you use for translations. I think this makes the text look a bit out of place, a bit too sharp. Siince GenAI uses separates layer like this to generate sensible text it can have this similar "out of place" look.
@sgued@pouet.chapril.org @davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
to me this is a normal looking comic font
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@davidrevoy That art transition OMG!!!
@NullTheFool @davidrevoy right?! It took me also a second glance. Well done
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@aeva Thank you so much for the feedback. I don't think I'll go full panel 4 for the style of my next comics; I'm still too attached to a certain type of technique in my pose, backgrounds and shading. But learning to go a little bit more rough as on panel 2, and let some surge of saturation and aliasing glitches here and there, why not. Too bad I'm not on the cyberpunk genre; this looks like easier to adapt for that than for fantasy
@davidrevoy @aeva fantasy with cyberpunk style, please please please please make one comic i genuinely want to see that alternate universe
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
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@davidrevoy excellent, and I really like all of the styles!
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@kabel42 Totally ok! And in the long run, this is probably how I'll start to intentionally degrade my style a bit; so I can retain a bit of context for the shading, the designs I like and the shapes. I might use also something like that on the next episode of Pepper&Carrot (thicker line-art, more lines, scribbling)
@kabel42 @davidrevoy I like panel 2 Cepper (less glare, more natural) but panel 1 background (leaves recognisable instead of just mushy flecked background)
love what’s going on in panel 3 but only as a special effect
panel 4… is like… "you said you like my yellows? take this!" and, please no
btw, will eventually a cat take down the stochastic parrot? Malik
was bird-hunting earlier… -
The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy somehow this adversarial pressure is becoming inspiration, in the story and in the aesthetics ... it's becoming meta²
(no pun, this guy stole an ancient word) hope the bubble pop soon,
so we can go back at saving the world from the rest of this madness
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy needs more license plates
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@davidrevoy somehow this adversarial pressure is becoming inspiration, in the story and in the aesthetics ... it's becoming meta²
(no pun, this guy stole an ancient word) hope the bubble pop soon,
so we can go back at saving the world from the rest of this madness
(those avians are really the cherry on the top of the bad cake duh! )@olm_e Thank you
Yes, it's a so gigantic industrial pressure that I try to make something about it. I'm glad I had the duo of Cepper and Parrot ready with the Avian Intelligence series to express myself with this. -
This reminds me so much of the transition that painting went through after the invention of photography. It went... wild. Mostly moving away from representation. Pre-Raphaelite notwithstanding.
I already see street art and creativity from teens becoming less refined in response to AI art.
Interesting times.
@doctormo Did I hear someone say “Pre-Raphaelites”?
John William Waterhouse is among my all-time favorite painters. 
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@davidrevoy @aeva fantasy with cyberpunk style, please please please please make one comic i genuinely want to see that alternate universe
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@davidrevoy I found myself lately not fixing some mistakes I would normally fix in my works and intentionally leave other mistakes how they are just to prevent people from thinking my work could be AI. It makes me sad that I can't stop thinking about stuff like that anymore.
@Takiro I understand, sometime I'm like
"f*** this is my style, and I like technical poses, advanced shading, and accurate volumes so I'll continue do that."
and other time I'm like
"the pressure of this AI industry at a large scale is so big it already tainted the visual culture of the audience to think my style looks like AI, so better adapt and change, and find in that an opportunity to create more and think less of the technique."
I'll keep testing,and probably bouncing between the two.
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@lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix Yes, big +1 with Luna.
I followed Glaze/Nightshade project and papers, and it's unfortunately proprietary and not effective. Last time, I visited a school of computer science, and there was a poster showing how Nightshade was ineffective and woraround-able. Also, it's AI itself, so it needs a lot of resources to overlay the art.
Well, in overall, good intents, but poorly executed and purely marketing... Impressive Press coverage, this was effective.@davidrevoy
Yes poisoning is super expensive. I make music so looked for software to poison that, and they exist. Buuuuut you need 6hr of a top of the line GPU to poison 30 seconds of audio so...
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@davidrevoy
Yes poisoning is super expensive. I make music so looked for software to poison that, and they exist. Buuuuut you need 6hr of a top of the line GPU to poison 30 seconds of audio so...
@lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix@ScriptFanix @lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix
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@davidrevoy
I think my work is already rough enough.Makes me sad, in a way.
Also reminds of something I heard about handmade weavers and other artisans: which is that they would intentionally make occasional "errors" to differentiate their work from the machine-made stuff.
I don't know how one would actually verify or refute that, but it seemed plausible enough.
Also a bit like the popularity of coarse-ground breads in the 20th century after centuries of bakers struggling to make their product purer and smoother.
@TerryHancock @davidrevoy @doctormo @slothrop just to address handweavers introduced flaws as differentia from industrial weaving.
I work in garment manufacturing and sadly those hand woven "flaws" have been easily faked by textile designers for over a hundred years.
Hand weavers and knitters often add "signatures" to their work, these are more likely little details that are invisible unless you know what to look for. True Cowichan sweaters and kimono fabric come to mind.
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@tshirtman My favorite. I spent probably 30 minute in the MET in the Pollock room; a large (oversized) room with a massive pollock , in black and white over a cardboard colored background. That's epic abstraction; the movement, the dance, the happening. Yes, really ahead of our time. I wish I could visit this room weekly as a reminder of how powerful is art.
@davidrevoy Nice! it's also the room i sit the longest in when i visited, it's awesome work.
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@smoi Merci du retour! J'étais préoccupé avant de le poster que le concept se comprenne mal; je suis très content de voir que ça fonctionne!
@davidrevoy @smoi
Je m'en suis rendu compte à la 3ème case, et comme Smoi, je suis tout de suite retourné au début. Ça marche bien ! -
after photography was invented, so was abstract painting and a whole bunch of styles (fauvisme, cubisme, expressionisme) that strayed from the painstaking 'realism' of the time
but yet, photographers and 'collage' artists did have to pay their dues to the paintings they were using...
Which is something that LLMs are not doing.
And we're just considering painting, here, not MUSIC, and writing, and coding.
Which is degrading the quality of everything - like using cardboard and calling it meat.
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Who are you, warrior that fooled AI?
