The Aesthetic Rebellion
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@davidrevoy somehow this adversarial pressure is becoming inspiration, in the story and in the aesthetics ... it's becoming meta²
(no pun, this guy stole an ancient word) hope the bubble pop soon,
so we can go back at saving the world from the rest of this madness
(those avians are really the cherry on the top of the bad cake duh! )@olm_e Thank you
Yes, it's a so gigantic industrial pressure that I try to make something about it. I'm glad I had the duo of Cepper and Parrot ready with the Avian Intelligence series to express myself with this. -
This reminds me so much of the transition that painting went through after the invention of photography. It went... wild. Mostly moving away from representation. Pre-Raphaelite notwithstanding.
I already see street art and creativity from teens becoming less refined in response to AI art.
Interesting times.
@doctormo Did I hear someone say “Pre-Raphaelites”?
John William Waterhouse is among my all-time favorite painters. 
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@davidrevoy @aeva fantasy with cyberpunk style, please please please please make one comic i genuinely want to see that alternate universe
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@davidrevoy I found myself lately not fixing some mistakes I would normally fix in my works and intentionally leave other mistakes how they are just to prevent people from thinking my work could be AI. It makes me sad that I can't stop thinking about stuff like that anymore.
@Takiro I understand, sometime I'm like
"f*** this is my style, and I like technical poses, advanced shading, and accurate volumes so I'll continue do that."
and other time I'm like
"the pressure of this AI industry at a large scale is so big it already tainted the visual culture of the audience to think my style looks like AI, so better adapt and change, and find in that an opportunity to create more and think less of the technique."
I'll keep testing,and probably bouncing between the two.
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@lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix Yes, big +1 with Luna.
I followed Glaze/Nightshade project and papers, and it's unfortunately proprietary and not effective. Last time, I visited a school of computer science, and there was a poster showing how Nightshade was ineffective and woraround-able. Also, it's AI itself, so it needs a lot of resources to overlay the art.
Well, in overall, good intents, but poorly executed and purely marketing... Impressive Press coverage, this was effective.@davidrevoy
Yes poisoning is super expensive. I make music so looked for software to poison that, and they exist. Buuuuut you need 6hr of a top of the line GPU to poison 30 seconds of audio so...
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@davidrevoy
Yes poisoning is super expensive. I make music so looked for software to poison that, and they exist. Buuuuut you need 6hr of a top of the line GPU to poison 30 seconds of audio so...
@lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix@ScriptFanix @lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix
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@davidrevoy
I think my work is already rough enough.
Makes me sad, in a way.
Also reminds of something I heard about handmade weavers and other artisans: which is that they would intentionally make occasional "errors" to differentiate their work from the machine-made stuff.
I don't know how one would actually verify or refute that, but it seemed plausible enough.
Also a bit like the popularity of coarse-ground breads in the 20th century after centuries of bakers struggling to make their product purer and smoother.
@TerryHancock @davidrevoy @doctormo @slothrop just to address handweavers introduced flaws as differentia from industrial weaving.
I work in garment manufacturing and sadly those hand woven "flaws" have been easily faked by textile designers for over a hundred years.
Hand weavers and knitters often add "signatures" to their work, these are more likely little details that are invisible unless you know what to look for. True Cowichan sweaters and kimono fabric come to mind.
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@tshirtman My favorite. I spent probably 30 minute in the MET in the Pollock room; a large (oversized) room with a massive pollock , in black and white over a cardboard colored background. That's epic abstraction; the movement, the dance, the happening. Yes, really ahead of our time. I wish I could visit this room weekly as a reminder of how powerful is art.
@davidrevoy Nice! it's also the room i sit the longest in when i visited, it's awesome work.
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@smoi Merci du retour! J'étais préoccupé avant de le poster que le concept se comprenne mal; je suis très content de voir que ça fonctionne!
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Je m'en suis rendu compte à la 3ème case, et comme Smoi, je suis tout de suite retourné au début. Ça marche bien ! -
after photography was invented, so was abstract painting and a whole bunch of styles (fauvisme, cubisme, expressionisme) that strayed from the painstaking 'realism' of the time
but yet, photographers and 'collage' artists did have to pay their dues to the paintings they were using...
Which is something that LLMs are not doing.
And we're just considering painting, here, not MUSIC, and writing, and coding.
Which is degrading the quality of everything - like using cardboard and calling it meat.
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Who are you, warrior that fooled AI?
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy The meta level of this comic sparks joy in me.
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
@davidrevoy Is it sad that one of my motivators to finally get a new PC was that I'm tired of Glaze taking 50 minutes to run on my shitty old GPU? I know it doesn't do much, but I want the images I post to be just that slightly bit shittier as training data. Fortunately have never been mistaken for AI (only told that I'm equally uninspired).
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@ScriptFanix @lunareclipse @catsalad @realFedix
oh wow. That's indeed a lot...@davidrevoy I love how you poisoned your art though, the human way
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
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@june @davidrevoy Je suis bien d’accord !
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The Aesthetic Rebellion
Bonus speedpaint: https://www.peppercarrot.com/en/miniFantasyTheater/066.html#bonus
Real art. Real satire. Real human.
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@davidrevoy Is it sad that one of my motivators to finally get a new PC was that I'm tired of Glaze taking 50 minutes to run on my shitty old GPU? I know it doesn't do much, but I want the images I post to be just that slightly bit shittier as training data. Fortunately have never been mistaken for AI (only told that I'm equally uninspired).
@lidsel Here I think Glaze/Nightshade is meh, I'm talking about it on https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/117124006373289208 ; but I get the "slightly bit shittier"; and I'm sure it's effective for at least that.
I find also the list of glitch and all the filters of GMIC (already bundled in Krita) really cool; especially in "degrade" category, I used them a lot for this comic, and I'll explore for more.
Edit: good luck for the quest of a new PC in this economy! I had to change a 2TB harddrive this week, and ...
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@lidsel Here I think Glaze/Nightshade is meh, I'm talking about it on https://framapiaf.org/@davidrevoy/117124006373289208 ; but I get the "slightly bit shittier"; and I'm sure it's effective for at least that.
I find also the list of glitch and all the filters of GMIC (already bundled in Krita) really cool; especially in "degrade" category, I used them a lot for this comic, and I'll explore for more.
Edit: good luck for the quest of a new PC in this economy! I had to change a 2TB harddrive this week, and ... the prices.@davidrevoy Yeah, I never cared that much about protecting against style replication (who's targeting me anyway), it's just out of spite.
I got the computer, finished assembling it last week. Got the RAM, SSD and GPU at the end of last year, so I avoided the worst of the price hike. But yeah, the HDD situation is worrying - WD sold 100% of their capacity through 2030. I'm considering stocking up while it's still possible to get them. It's going to be a tough few years.
