I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it

[jan0h4ck@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@eniko big AI doesn't want you to know this

[nini@oldbytes.space]

@scavello @eniko And now their job of marketing is taking up more of their time so that complaint is only going to get louder, right?

[enot@masto.hackers.town]

@nini @scavello @eniko looking at you video game marketplaces

[iagondiscord@wetdry.world]

@eniko I'm in the Pokemon romhacking scene and it's surprisingly very mixed on AI, and I personally have to push
There are two important tools that are being/have been developed with significant Claude usage and they're both decent at least (one of which I can no longer live without)
It has a sort of reasonable use case and that is rapid development, because it automates a lot of the boilerplate away; both developers are experienced programmers/computer scientists and I believe they wrote the important logic themselves
However, this development paradigm is definitely the exception and not the norm; most people have no clue what they're doing and have AI write the entire codebase, inevitably leading to logic bugs and unmaintainable messes (though that is par for the course with industrial software development, so not much is new there)

Edit: To clarify, I don't use AI (for countless reasons), but through talking with others I realize that there are some (very rare) scenarios where AI isn't completely dogshit
Still don't like it though

[benaveling@infosec.exchange]

I can’t imagine anyone successfully using AI to create aps for other ppl.
I can imagine someone creating an ap that does something that they and only they need. @eniko

[dacmot@sunny.garden]

@dome yeah... no. I'm not going to waste my time reading slop.

You can keep digging that hole on the beach you thought was cool. And yeah, it's neat when you're down to your knees. Not so much when you're so deep you can't climb out again. My unsolicited advice to you is: stop.

@jargoggles @eniko

[clutchabuse@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@alice @brooke @eniko the game I've been working on for five years now will be done in the next 6 months or so. Normally I would have started marketing it by now, but I've been holding off. There's a very good chance I finish it and then just shelve the thing for release at a later time when hopefully the slop storm has subsided somewhat.

[cargot_robbie@urbanists.social]

@eniko This made me daydream a little bit about Apple banning LLM-generated apps from the App Store

[alice@mk.nyaa.place]

@ClutchAbuse@mastodon.gamedev.place @brooke@bikeshed.vibber.net @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place I'm in a bit better position here since at least I'm not relying on my app financially, since I have a job (so far) and this is just a side project - at most it will have donations

still tho I don't want it to be lumped together with all the slop

[landa@graz.social]

@koalp@social.bim.land how does an independent developer make money on an app that nobody uses?

How does a large company make money on an app that nobody uses?

@Gurre @eniko

[spitfire@mastodon.de]

@eniko AI enjoyers always react very emotional to criticism

[troed@masto.sangberg.se]

@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.

All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.

(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)

Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:

https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon

https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation

https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator

... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.

The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...

[zanagb@lgbtqia.space]

@troed @eniko How does it feel spending the energy expenditure of a medium size country just so your acorn archimedes struggles to do a voxel terrain 5 years ago could do properly without the cancer-attached code?

[eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@troed yeah man I do os dev and programming language development and write triangle rasterizers as a hobby because I'm not actually a developer. Pay no heed to the award winning indie game running on a custom engine and framework of my own design

Get the fuck outta here with your greybeard rank pulling nonsense

[snoopj@hachyderm.io]

@eniko evergreen post

[xgranade@wandering.shop]

@eniko My condolences for your mentions, and also, wow digging through replies makes it easy to block a bunch of slopbros all at once.

[mrencyclopedia@retro.pizza]

@troed @eniko "All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive."

Yeah, the typical experience of using LLMs is you feel a lot more productive while not actually being more productive.

[sinvega@mas.to]

@eniko @ehproque @gabrielesvelto In our glorious ai-forward nation, none shall go hungry! Double prion rations for all!

[jef@mastodon.social]

@eniko The AI software is out there, it's terrible, and we are being forced to use it. Every bug you run into in your bank or transit system: that's AI.

[ahto@tiggi.es]

@troed @eniko

I'll take this from your bio:

> discuss based in facts and actively despise "but my gut feeling .." arguments.

Now what you have stated is more of a "feels" statement rather than anything of fact.

In addition, given the commit history and timelines, I wouldn't say I am impressed by the work in the time given - However, hard for myself factor in what things you had going on and what-not. I'll give benefit of the doubt but I am also non-caring of it.

However, since you want facts and I like linking papers to people

* "From Technical Debt to Cognitive and Intent Debt: Rethinking Software Health in the Age of AI" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.22106

* "Your Brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of Cognitive Debt when Using an AI Assistant for Essay Writing Task" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872

* "How AI impacts Skill Format" - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2601.20245, heck Anthropic paid for this one

* "AI Assistance Reduces Persistence and Hurts Independent Performance" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.04721

Now, onto another note:

Be mindful that it is awfully like you are just going around agitating people and being completely unaware or oblivious to the kind of experience some of these people have. Not everyone is here to have a discussion on these things with you and that if you want opposing opinions that would be happy to debate you, you are better off elsewhere.

Maybe these LLMs work for you and not for others but I for sure would say that you are no expert in education or learning and that LLMs "got good at software development" seems like an overstatement and one of those "feels" you seem to have while very likely ignoring many other aspects of software development where they haven't proven themselves or appear harmful.