I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
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@dacmot @jargoggles @eniko I just recently started building this fork. Why should it be well known and wide spread? And its open source so just look at the code if you are worried.
@dome yeah... no. I'm not going to waste my time reading slop.
You can keep digging that hole on the beach you thought was cool. And yeah, it's neat when you're down to your knees. Not so much when you're so deep you can't climb out again. My unsolicited advice to you is: stop.
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@brooke@bikeshed.vibber.net @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place it's also fun when I've been working on a thing for close to 3 years now, and it's relatively close to a release, but also it's now and do i even want to release it at this period of time vs waiting until the literal shitstorm clears up
@alice @brooke @eniko the game I've been working on for five years now will be done in the next 6 months or so. Normally I would have started marketing it by now, but I've been holding off. There's a very good chance I finish it and then just shelve the thing for release at a later time when hopefully the slop storm has subsided somewhat.
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko This made me daydream a little bit about Apple banning LLM-generated apps from the App Store
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@alice @brooke @eniko the game I've been working on for five years now will be done in the next 6 months or so. Normally I would have started marketing it by now, but I've been holding off. There's a very good chance I finish it and then just shelve the thing for release at a later time when hopefully the slop storm has subsided somewhat.
@ClutchAbuse@mastodon.gamedev.place @brooke@bikeshed.vibber.net @eniko@mastodon.gamedev.place I'm in a bit better position here since at least I'm not relying on my app financially, since I have a job (so far) and this is just a side project - at most it will have donations
still tho I don't want it to be lumped together with all the slop -
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this post has made all the AI users Big Mad
@eniko AI enjoyers always react very emotional to criticism
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.
All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.
(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)
Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:
https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator
... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.
The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...
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@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.
All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.
(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)
Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:
https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator
... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.
The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...
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@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.
All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.
(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)
Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:
https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator
... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.
The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...
@troed yeah man I do os dev and programming language development and write triangle rasterizers as a hobby because I'm not actually a developer. Pay no heed to the award winning indie game running on a custom engine and framework of my own design
Get the fuck outta here with your greybeard rank pulling nonsense
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this post has made all the AI users Big Mad
@eniko evergreen post
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this post has made all the AI users Big Mad
@eniko My condolences for your mentions, and also, wow digging through replies makes it easy to block a bunch of slopbros all at once.
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@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.
All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.
(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)
Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:
https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator
... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.
The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...
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@ehproque @gabrielesvelto the even worse news is that the bug fixes introduce 5x as many new bugs
@eniko @ehproque @gabrielesvelto In our glorious ai-forward nation, none shall go hungry! Double prion rations for all!
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RE: https://mastodon.social/@jplebreton/116709297088742776
I've been saying "if AI is making you so productive then where is all this great new software" and I guess the answer is the software is out there it's just not great, it's terrible, and nobody is using it
@eniko The AI software is out there, it's terrible, and we are being forced to use it. Every bug you run into in your bank or transit system: that's AI.
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@eniko This weekend my old demoscene crew had a meetup at my place. We're from the 80s home computer scene, the greybeards that speak assembler natively and there's not a single algorithm we're not able to implement from scratch.
All of us now use LLM-aids with the experiences that we're much more productive.
(And we're not having them forced upon us, we're choosing to use them and we choose for which projects)
Here are three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me:
https://codeberg.org/troed/meshnetmon
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/lightautomation
https://www.curseforge.com/hytale/mods/pathinator
... a fourth one is coming up shortly, for Nextcloud. Additionally I've done one feature development and fixed one bug in open source projects.
The truth is that LLMs got good at software development around six months ago. Those who claim differently seem to not be developers ...
I'll take this from your bio:
> discuss based in facts and actively despise "but my gut feeling .." arguments.
Now what you have stated is more of a "feels" statement rather than anything of fact.
In addition, given the commit history and timelines, I wouldn't say I am impressed by the work in the time given - However, hard for myself factor in what things you had going on and what-not. I'll give benefit of the doubt but I am also non-caring of it.
However, since you want facts and I like linking papers to people
* "From Technical Debt to Cognitive and Intent Debt: Rethinking Software Health in the Age of AI" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.22106
* "Your Brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of Cognitive Debt when Using an AI Assistant for Essay Writing Task" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
* "How AI impacts Skill Format" - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2601.20245, heck Anthropic paid for this one
* "AI Assistance Reduces Persistence and Hurts Independent Performance" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.04721
Now, onto another note:
Be mindful that it is awfully like you are just going around agitating people and being completely unaware or oblivious to the kind of experience some of these people have. Not everyone is here to have a discussion on these things with you and that if you want opposing opinions that would be happy to debate you, you are better off elsewhere.
Maybe these LLMs work for you and not for others but I for sure would say that you are no expert in education or learning and that LLMs "got good at software development" seems like an overstatement and one of those "feels" you seem to have while very likely ignoring many other aspects of software development where they haven't proven themselves or appear harmful.
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I use local LLMs. They use as much energy as when you play a game.
Read more. Post less.
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@troed yeah man I do os dev and programming language development and write triangle rasterizers as a hobby because I'm not actually a developer. Pay no heed to the award winning indie game running on a custom engine and framework of my own design
Get the fuck outta here with your greybeard rank pulling nonsense
@eniko I mean, you're just wrong. It's ok to be wrong.
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That was indeed a paper from way back _before_ the models got good at development. I laughed at them then - but I have no issues admitting to them now being good and changing my mind.
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I'll take this from your bio:
> discuss based in facts and actively despise "but my gut feeling .." arguments.
Now what you have stated is more of a "feels" statement rather than anything of fact.
In addition, given the commit history and timelines, I wouldn't say I am impressed by the work in the time given - However, hard for myself factor in what things you had going on and what-not. I'll give benefit of the doubt but I am also non-caring of it.
However, since you want facts and I like linking papers to people
* "From Technical Debt to Cognitive and Intent Debt: Rethinking Software Health in the Age of AI" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2603.22106
* "Your Brain on ChatGPT: Accumulation of Cognitive Debt when Using an AI Assistant for Essay Writing Task" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2506.08872
* "How AI impacts Skill Format" - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2601.20245, heck Anthropic paid for this one
* "AI Assistance Reduces Persistence and Hurts Independent Performance" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2604.04721
Now, onto another note:
Be mindful that it is awfully like you are just going around agitating people and being completely unaware or oblivious to the kind of experience some of these people have. Not everyone is here to have a discussion on these things with you and that if you want opposing opinions that would be happy to debate you, you are better off elsewhere.
Maybe these LLMs work for you and not for others but I for sure would say that you are no expert in education or learning and that LLMs "got good at software development" seems like an overstatement and one of those "feels" you seem to have while very likely ignoring many other aspects of software development where they haven't proven themselves or appear harmful.
"Not everyone is here to have a discussion on these things"
I'm sure people can post in places that aren't public and open to comments in such cases.
'Now what you have stated is more of a "feels" statement rather than anything of fact.'
Strange - I so very much linked to the facts there, those source code repositories you know.
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"Not everyone is here to have a discussion on these things"
I'm sure people can post in places that aren't public and open to comments in such cases.
'Now what you have stated is more of a "feels" statement rather than anything of fact.'
Strange - I so very much linked to the facts there, those source code repositories you know.
> I'm sure people can post in places that aren't public and open to comments in such cases.
Sure and people do not have to respect your opinion. At the moment, that is all you have here and given this reply, I think not many people should respect your opinion on this topic.
I gave you research articles on the topic which you can read up on and dispute if you doubt their claims or want to challenge those findings - This is much more concrete evidence than what you have provided here.
> Strange - I so very much linked to the facts there, those source code repositories you know.
The repos tell me nothing and aren't anything interesting nor do they really say much about the LLM usage really.
They just tell me how you use them and honestly I am not finding anything interesting from that - The only statement you made here was "three of my programs that wouldn't have existed without the productivity boost using LLMs have given me"
If you "feel" that way, sure! You can feel that way but it is meaningless outside of that.
At the moment, you seem to be replying to anti-llm sentiment with not much more than "you feel like it speeds you up". Take a moment to reflect on this, it is okay to be wrong.
