Hmmm
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OK, these are the "ideas"/ "plans" for new #CrossBorderRail lines in Europe where the location of the border crossing is new
Bussoleno
- St Jean de Maurienne 
(Torino-Lyon)
Grafing
- Langkampfen 
(Brenner Nordzulauf)
Heidenau-Süd - Ústí nad Labem západ 
(Future HSL Berlin-Praha)
Helsingør
- Helsingborg 
(Fixed link idea)
Helsinki
- Tallinn 
(Rail Baltica tunnel)
Innsbruck - Fortezza (Brenner Base Tunnel)
Mszana
- Bohumín (CZ-PL CPK)
Mockava
- Trakiszki (Rail Baltica)@jon@gruene.social I think Mockava - Trakiszki is a bit funny to include when it only moves by ~300 meters
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@jon@gruene.social I think Mockava - Trakiszki is a bit funny to include when it only moves by ~300 meters
@ignaloidas right. But it’ll still be added!
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@ignaloidas right. But it’ll still be added!
@jon@gruene.social I personally see that portion of it as a reconstruction/straightening of the existing line rather than something new
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Hmmm
The 2017 DG Regio report on #CrossBorderRail lines lists
Chalupki [PL] - Bohumín-Vrbice [CZ]as separate from
Chalupki [PL] - Bohumín [CZ]Because there is a connecting curve here:
https://openrailwaymap.org/?style=standard&lat=49.89919574726048&lon=18.33721160888672&zoom=141) Is there any passenger train on that curve? @wrzlbrnft do you know?
2) Is there any point listing them separately, as the cross border track section is the same?
@jon @wrzlbrnft there used to be a Ostrava - Warszawa train (early morning from Ostrava, back in the evening) which bypassed Bohumin, if I remember correctly.
Currently this train (EC 110/111) starts/terminates only at Bohumin. -
@jon @wrzlbrnft there used to be a Ostrava - Warszawa train (early morning from Ostrava, back in the evening) which bypassed Bohumin, if I remember correctly.
Currently this train (EC 110/111) starts/terminates only at Bohumin.@vorortanleiter @wrzlbrnft it seems the Regiojet Warszawa - Praha takes that curve. Bypassing Bohumin.
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@elba013.bsky.social Not quite the same but close
https://www.flickr.com/photos/jonworth-eu/52920010778/in/album-72177720307617222 I have been there! -
And damn there is another one
DG Regio lists
Helsingør [DK] - Helsingborg [SE]
the former rail ferry, and mentioned as a future location of a bridge or tunnelBut if I include former train ferries where am I going to stop?
Or are they eventually going to put a fixed link there?
@jon would a bridge tunnel there make sense? I could imagine the location being interesting for freight. But how much is Copenhagen-Malmö at capacity?
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@jon would a bridge tunnel there make sense? I could imagine the location being interesting for freight. But how much is Copenhagen-Malmö at capacity?
@vermeer @jon there are at least two competing proposals (Helsingborg-Helsingör and Landskrona-Copenhagen), a number of prestudies and quite some local lobbying for a fixed link there, but no real work being done on a national level (on either side) since maybe 2020 or so. Malmö-Copenhagen is expected to reach max capacity before too long
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OK, these are the "ideas"/ "plans" for new #CrossBorderRail lines in Europe where the location of the border crossing is new
Bussoleno
- St Jean de Maurienne (Torino-Lyon)
Grafing - Langkampfen (Brenner Nordzulauf)
Heidenau-Süd - Ústí nad Labem západ (Future HSL Berlin-Praha)
Helsingør - Helsingborg (Fixed link idea)
Helsinki - Tallinn (Rail Baltica tunnel)
Innsbruck - Fortezza (Brenner Base Tunnel)
Mszana - Bohumín (CZ-PL CPK)
Mockava - Trakiszki (Rail Baltica)@jon I have seen (regional) politicians promoting Huelva - Vila Real de Santo António. But maybe that’s too far fetched in this bunch?
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@jon I have seen (regional) politicians promoting Huelva - Vila Real de Santo António. But maybe that’s too far fetched in this bunch?
@stefanlindbohm that is in already, and I went there!
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@pglux.bsky.social Good idea! Will add
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@pglux.bsky.social What happened to the St Julien tram idea? https://www.grand-geneve.org/projects/tram-geneve-plan-les-ouates-saint-julien__trashed/
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@vermeer @jon there are at least two competing proposals (Helsingborg-Helsingör and Landskrona-Copenhagen), a number of prestudies and quite some local lobbying for a fixed link there, but no real work being done on a national level (on either side) since maybe 2020 or so. Malmö-Copenhagen is expected to reach max capacity before too long
@leo_wallentin @jon yes I can imagine that more freight might come after fehmarnbelt is built. But so far it seems like German side of that link is the biggest question mark
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@pglux.bsky.social The public comms about it is very poor. But I will go there in a few weeks (by bike)
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@leo_wallentin @jon yes I can imagine that more freight might come after fehmarnbelt is built. But so far it seems like German side of that link is the biggest question mark
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@acb Those are too far fetched I think yes
@jon
I agree. I think the Gedser-Rostock connection was mainly put in play to confuse the discussion and delay/stop the Fehmarn plans.The Fehmarn project will leave us with a nice big tunnel element factory, but the Danes itching to reuse it are mainly looking at a Kattegat link, which will not be croas-border.
@acb
