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Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection

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  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

    Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
    https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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    #41

    @infobeautiful oh look how tiny #murica really is... just like his hands

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    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

      Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
      https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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      #42

      @infobeautiful Someone please fwd this to trump

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      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

        Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
        https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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        #43

        @infobeautiful "Yet another"? Isn't that the one single reason why people keep tutting at it all the time?

        (And, sadly, many probably think that Mercator is the only projection with this particular distortion or that there are ideal projections that don't distort anything.)

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        • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

          @quixote @infobeautiful I have a feeling that it looks this way because NZ is smaller so, though the percentage difference is about the same, the absolute difference is smaller and less obvious to the eye in this colour scheme – at first glance, I don't see the NZ area difference at all because the colours are so close. Which means that the map maybe wasn't really made by an especially expert expert. Or else that the colour scheme was chosen exactly for that reason: to show that the southern lands are mistakenly thought to be much much smaller than they really are, relative to the northern. My son's godparents had no idea how big New Zealand was until they came to visit us; they were initially planning their trip on the understanding that the whole country was about the size of New England. These are Ivy educated people, both PhDs, both academics. Even they fell for it.

          The more interesting thing that I see on this map is how, because the latitudes are omitted, the area scaling looks so asymmetric – you can't see that the equator is markedly within the lower half rather than through the middle and a lot of people have little idea of where the equator is. I have a feeling that this is its primary intention.

          Still, the primary point of the Mercator projection is that it's good for compass navigation. Our failure to teach this is the problem – hiding the purpose sets learners up to use maps inappropriately for their whole lives.

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          #44

          @libroraptor @infobeautiful Indeed! I was surprised to hear that NZ is about the same size as California from top to bottom and side to side. They have a lot of nerve just constantly dropping us off world maps all the time, don't they? 😆

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          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

            Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
            https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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            #45

            @infobeautiful i’m definitely a fan of the Peters Projection.

            I clearly remember a 🤯 moment from first or second grade when I saw it for the first time!

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            • x_tof@verkehrswende.socialX x_tof@verkehrswende.social

              @lokjo @infobeautiful it's not an issue about north vs south.
              The difference in size comes from the distance to the equator.

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              #46

              @x_tof
              I've seen European maps that have the equator two thirds of the way down, I'm not sure if they're rescaling the southern hemisphere or just cutting off Antarctica, but either way it causes some bias.
              @lokjo @infobeautiful

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              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                #47

                @infobeautiful
                Which is which? Where's the key on this visualization?

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                  #48
                  @infobeautiful@vis.social https://xkcd.com/977/
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                  • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                    @infobeautiful i’m definitely a fan of the Peters Projection.

                    I clearly remember a 🤯 moment from first or second grade when I saw it for the first time!

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                    #49

                    @infobeautiful Pro tip: If you stretch Peter's projection "widescreen", it retains more of the shapes of the continents you are used to. (This might be my favorite world map)

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                    • osteopenia_powers@newsie.socialO osteopenia_powers@newsie.social

                      @stevefaeembra @lokjo @x_tof @infobeautiful
                      This one substitutes the Prime Meridian for the equator. (Hilarity ensues)

                      https://ena.our-dogs.info/facts-pin.html#google_vignette

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                      #50

                      @Osteopenia_Powers @stevefaeembra @lokjo @x_tof @infobeautiful
                      Finally a map with a biblically accurate Australia

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                      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                        Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                        https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                        #51

                        @infobeautiful Exquisite sub-toot.

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                        • quixote@mastodon.nzQ quixote@mastodon.nz

                          @infobeautiful Very useful to see. Done by a professional, so I must be wrong, but where I am (north New Zealand) is at about the same latitude as San Francisco, but we seem to be less shrunk?

                          Re discussion about more realistic projections, my favourite is Cahill-Keyes. http://www.genekeyes.com/world_map_poster.html

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                          #52

                          @quixote @infobeautiful Here is a better Cahill-Keyes world map, without the extremely misleading overlaid rectangular grid. Instead, just actual geographic parallels and meridians are shown. Also, Antarctica is handled better, even if partially duplicated.

                          But as always with non-contiguous projections, there will be small or even large islands that get split, or at least separated widely from their close neighbours. And the easternmost bit of Siberia is cut off from the rest.

                          I am sure that if this was a widely used projection, people would also start more or less wild theories that distortions in this map projection is a cause of some foreign policies. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahill%E2%80%93Keyes_projection

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                          • tml@mementomori.socialT tml@mementomori.social

                            @quixote @infobeautiful Here is a better Cahill-Keyes world map, without the extremely misleading overlaid rectangular grid. Instead, just actual geographic parallels and meridians are shown. Also, Antarctica is handled better, even if partially duplicated.

                            But as always with non-contiguous projections, there will be small or even large islands that get split, or at least separated widely from their close neighbours. And the easternmost bit of Siberia is cut off from the rest.

                            I am sure that if this was a widely used projection, people would also start more or less wild theories that distortions in this map projection is a cause of some foreign policies. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahill%E2%80%93Keyes_projection

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                            #53

                            @tml @infobeautiful _And_ it includes Antarctica! Excellent map.

                            Plus maps are always better when the political boundaries are not the main thing.

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                            • tsukkitsune@is.nota.liveT tsukkitsune@is.nota.live

                              @toddhorowitz @infobeautiful

                              Sure, projecting a quasi-spheroid onto a plane will always cause distortions, but you can choose what to distort. Mercator keeps compass bearings and distorts shapes. The Albers Equal-Area projection, among others, keeps sizes but distorts shapes much more. Anyway, you can always calculate the surface area of land. In fact many countries in the world have been quite thoroughly surveyed.

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                              #54

                              @tsukkitsune @toddhorowitz @infobeautiful

                              This!!

                              I asked in my ArcGIS class if the distortions resulted from using the ideal shapes of classic geometry to try to fit across the random shapes of the actual Earth. With the implied corollary of who got to choose which wrongness.

                              That guy said "Whoah! That [very basic question] is a bit above my pay grade" and skipped to the next question.

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                              • quixote@mastodon.nzQ quixote@mastodon.nz

                                @libroraptor @infobeautiful Indeed! I was surprised to hear that NZ is about the same size as California from top to bottom and side to side. They have a lot of nerve just constantly dropping us off world maps all the time, don't they? 😆

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                                #55

                                @quixote @libroraptor @infobeautiful

                                Yep - and dropping all y'all off world economies, too!

                                Can we see a Mercator/GDP projection pulleeze?

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                                • terminally_shy@mastodon.sdf.orgT terminally_shy@mastodon.sdf.org

                                  @quixote @libroraptor @infobeautiful

                                  Yep - and dropping all y'all off world economies, too!

                                  Can we see a Mercator/GDP projection pulleeze?

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                                  #56

                                  @terminally_shy @quixote @infobeautiful It may be advantageous not to appear on US maps.

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                                  • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

                                    @terminally_shy @quixote @infobeautiful It may be advantageous not to appear on US maps.

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                                    #57

                                    @libroraptor @quixote

                                    With our own government decapitating the entities who would have generated those maps, I'd say there's no present danger.

                                    The current crop of pseudo scientists installed into the hollowed out homes of formerly renowned U.S. expertise are no threat.

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                                    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                      Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                                      https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                                      #58

                                      @infobeautiful slightly odd. i admit i don't understand, but why is, say, australia not as shrunk as canada? surely it's as far south of the equator as canada is north?

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                                      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                        Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                                        https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                                        #59

                                        @infobeautiful This book is a great discussion of examples like this(the title is relevant to the current commentary) :

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_to_Lie_with_Maps

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                                        • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                                          @infobeautiful slightly odd. i admit i don't understand, but why is, say, australia not as shrunk as canada? surely it's as far south of the equator as canada is north?

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                                          #60

                                          @fishidwardrobe @infobeautiful

                                          Canada goes from (mostly) 49°N (49th parallel) to around 70°N on the mainland, but up to about 82.5°N on Ellesmere Island.

                                          Australia goes from between 10°S on Mabuiag Island and 10.7°S at Cape York on the mainland in the north, down to 39°S on the mainland, or 43.6°S in Tasmania.

                                          So, no. The furthest part of Australia from the equator is closer to the equator than the main southern border of Canada.

                                          Next time you see a map, look where the equator actually is!

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