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  • edgeofeurope@mastodon.socialE edgeofeurope@mastodon.social

    @infobeautiful it all depends on what the purpose of the map is.

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    #35

    @edgeofeurope @infobeautiful Indeed. I feel that the anti-Mercator abuse neglects what the projection is good for, and what practical problem it was invented to solve.

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    • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

      Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
      https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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      #36

      @infobeautiful

      A very bad graphic. The point is taken but that map is very inaccurate. Eg the Canadian southern border should fit perfectly with the USA but it is shrink way too much. There are much better maps which account for there projection errors.

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      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

        Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
        https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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        #37

        @infobeautiful

        What this map shows is that America's penis (Florida) is much smaller than Americans think.

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        • quixote@mastodon.nzQ quixote@mastodon.nz

          @infobeautiful Very useful to see. Done by a professional, so I must be wrong, but where I am (north New Zealand) is at about the same latitude as San Francisco, but we seem to be less shrunk?

          Re discussion about more realistic projections, my favourite is Cahill-Keyes. http://www.genekeyes.com/world_map_poster.html

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          #38

          @quixote @infobeautiful I have a feeling that it looks this way because NZ is smaller so, though the percentage difference is about the same, the absolute difference is smaller and less obvious to the eye in this colour scheme – at first glance, I don't see the NZ area difference at all because the colours are so close. Which means that the map maybe wasn't really made by an especially expert expert. Or else that the colour scheme was chosen exactly for that reason: to show that the southern lands are mistakenly thought to be much much smaller than they really are, relative to the northern. My son's godparents had no idea how big New Zealand was until they came to visit us; they were initially planning their trip on the understanding that the whole country was about the size of New England. These are Ivy educated people, both PhDs, both academics. Even they fell for it.

          The more interesting thing that I see on this map is how, because the latitudes are omitted, the area scaling looks so asymmetric – you can't see that the equator is markedly within the lower half rather than through the middle and a lot of people have little idea of where the equator is. I have a feeling that this is its primary intention.

          Still, the primary point of the Mercator projection is that it's good for compass navigation. Our failure to teach this is the problem – hiding the purpose sets learners up to use maps inappropriately for their whole lives.

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          • bobdevney@wandering.shopB bobdevney@wandering.shop

            @infobeautiful

            Fascinating, thanks!

            Here's obligatory link to great bit from TV's "The West Wing." Where cartographers compare Mercator versus Peters projections for stunned C.J. and Josh.

            The head map guy is played with perfect drollery by the invaluable John Billingsley (Star Trek: Enterprise; The Man from Earth, etc.).

            Cartographer: "Nothing's where you think it is."
            C.J: "Where is it?"
            Cartographer: "I'm glad you asked…"

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Xyz9MgDWA

            #Maps #TV #Imperialism #Cartography

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            #39

            @BobDevney @infobeautiful You can’t do that.

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            • bruce@darkmoon.socialB bruce@darkmoon.social

              @infobeautiful

              What this map shows is that America's penis (Florida) is much smaller than Americans think.

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              #40

              @bruce you beat me to it >.< @infobeautiful

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              • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                #41

                @infobeautiful oh look how tiny #murica really is... just like his hands

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                • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                  Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                  https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                  #42

                  @infobeautiful Someone please fwd this to trump

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                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                    Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                    https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                    #43

                    @infobeautiful "Yet another"? Isn't that the one single reason why people keep tutting at it all the time?

                    (And, sadly, many probably think that Mercator is the only projection with this particular distortion or that there are ideal projections that don't distort anything.)

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                    • libroraptor@mastodon.nzL libroraptor@mastodon.nz

                      @quixote @infobeautiful I have a feeling that it looks this way because NZ is smaller so, though the percentage difference is about the same, the absolute difference is smaller and less obvious to the eye in this colour scheme – at first glance, I don't see the NZ area difference at all because the colours are so close. Which means that the map maybe wasn't really made by an especially expert expert. Or else that the colour scheme was chosen exactly for that reason: to show that the southern lands are mistakenly thought to be much much smaller than they really are, relative to the northern. My son's godparents had no idea how big New Zealand was until they came to visit us; they were initially planning their trip on the understanding that the whole country was about the size of New England. These are Ivy educated people, both PhDs, both academics. Even they fell for it.

                      The more interesting thing that I see on this map is how, because the latitudes are omitted, the area scaling looks so asymmetric – you can't see that the equator is markedly within the lower half rather than through the middle and a lot of people have little idea of where the equator is. I have a feeling that this is its primary intention.

                      Still, the primary point of the Mercator projection is that it's good for compass navigation. Our failure to teach this is the problem – hiding the purpose sets learners up to use maps inappropriately for their whole lives.

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                      #44

                      @libroraptor @infobeautiful Indeed! I was surprised to hear that NZ is about the same size as California from top to bottom and side to side. They have a lot of nerve just constantly dropping us off world maps all the time, don't they? 😆

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                      • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                        Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                        https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                        #45

                        @infobeautiful i’m definitely a fan of the Peters Projection.

                        I clearly remember a 🤯 moment from first or second grade when I saw it for the first time!

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                        • x_tof@verkehrswende.socialX x_tof@verkehrswende.social

                          @lokjo @infobeautiful it's not an issue about north vs south.
                          The difference in size comes from the distance to the equator.

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                          #46

                          @x_tof
                          I've seen European maps that have the equator two thirds of the way down, I'm not sure if they're rescaling the southern hemisphere or just cutting off Antarctica, but either way it causes some bias.
                          @lokjo @infobeautiful

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                          • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                            Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                            https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                            #47

                            @infobeautiful
                            Which is which? Where's the key on this visualization?

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                              #48
                              @infobeautiful@vis.social https://xkcd.com/977/
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                              • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                                @infobeautiful i’m definitely a fan of the Peters Projection.

                                I clearly remember a 🤯 moment from first or second grade when I saw it for the first time!

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                                #49

                                @infobeautiful Pro tip: If you stretch Peter's projection "widescreen", it retains more of the shapes of the continents you are used to. (This might be my favorite world map)

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                                • osteopenia_powers@newsie.socialO osteopenia_powers@newsie.social

                                  @stevefaeembra @lokjo @x_tof @infobeautiful
                                  This one substitutes the Prime Meridian for the equator. (Hilarity ensues)

                                  https://ena.our-dogs.info/facts-pin.html#google_vignette

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                                  #50

                                  @Osteopenia_Powers @stevefaeembra @lokjo @x_tof @infobeautiful
                                  Finally a map with a biblically accurate Australia

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                                  • infobeautiful@vis.socialI infobeautiful@vis.social

                                    Yet another reason to tut at the Mercator map projection
                                    https://brilliantmaps.com/mercator-vs-true-size/

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                                    #51

                                    @infobeautiful Exquisite sub-toot.

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                                    • quixote@mastodon.nzQ quixote@mastodon.nz

                                      @infobeautiful Very useful to see. Done by a professional, so I must be wrong, but where I am (north New Zealand) is at about the same latitude as San Francisco, but we seem to be less shrunk?

                                      Re discussion about more realistic projections, my favourite is Cahill-Keyes. http://www.genekeyes.com/world_map_poster.html

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                                      #52

                                      @quixote @infobeautiful Here is a better Cahill-Keyes world map, without the extremely misleading overlaid rectangular grid. Instead, just actual geographic parallels and meridians are shown. Also, Antarctica is handled better, even if partially duplicated.

                                      But as always with non-contiguous projections, there will be small or even large islands that get split, or at least separated widely from their close neighbours. And the easternmost bit of Siberia is cut off from the rest.

                                      I am sure that if this was a widely used projection, people would also start more or less wild theories that distortions in this map projection is a cause of some foreign policies. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahill%E2%80%93Keyes_projection

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                                      • tml@mementomori.socialT tml@mementomori.social

                                        @quixote @infobeautiful Here is a better Cahill-Keyes world map, without the extremely misleading overlaid rectangular grid. Instead, just actual geographic parallels and meridians are shown. Also, Antarctica is handled better, even if partially duplicated.

                                        But as always with non-contiguous projections, there will be small or even large islands that get split, or at least separated widely from their close neighbours. And the easternmost bit of Siberia is cut off from the rest.

                                        I am sure that if this was a widely used projection, people would also start more or less wild theories that distortions in this map projection is a cause of some foreign policies. From Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahill%E2%80%93Keyes_projection

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                                        #53

                                        @tml @infobeautiful _And_ it includes Antarctica! Excellent map.

                                        Plus maps are always better when the political boundaries are not the main thing.

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                                        • tsukkitsune@is.nota.liveT tsukkitsune@is.nota.live

                                          @toddhorowitz @infobeautiful

                                          Sure, projecting a quasi-spheroid onto a plane will always cause distortions, but you can choose what to distort. Mercator keeps compass bearings and distorts shapes. The Albers Equal-Area projection, among others, keeps sizes but distorts shapes much more. Anyway, you can always calculate the surface area of land. In fact many countries in the world have been quite thoroughly surveyed.

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                                          #54

                                          @tsukkitsune @toddhorowitz @infobeautiful

                                          This!!

                                          I asked in my ArcGIS class if the distortions resulted from using the ideal shapes of classic geometry to try to fit across the random shapes of the actual Earth. With the implied corollary of who got to choose which wrongness.

                                          That guy said "Whoah! That [very basic question] is a bit above my pay grade" and skipped to the next question.

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