I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.

[gerardthornley@hachyderm.io]

@hacks4pancakes A starting point, not an endorsement, but this appears to be a reasonable summary of commonly-mentioned options: https://m.ai6yr.org/@ai6yr/117264309648787445

[grumpydad@infosec.exchange]

@hacks4pancakes Shreddit!

[railmeat@fosstodon.org]

@jwcph

Where did you go from Google?

@hacks4pancakes

[afx@infosec.exchange]

@GerardThornley @hacks4pancakes Check out small web hosting providers in Europe. They tend to care a lot more than the all the big names.

[ku@c.im]

speedrunning the Mullvad / 1Password playbook

[nana_mx15m9@mk.spook.social]

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[superruserr@infosec.exchange]

@hacks4pancakes Yeah... I made some quick adjustments to my own paid Proton subcription. Disappointing to see this, don't want to leave the product and need some time for off ramping and then on ramping elsewhere.

[ves@mastodon.social]

@budududuroiu @hacks4pancakes did you read the article they posted as a follow-up. If not you might want to

[unixwitch@social.tchncs.de]

@mweiss @Mx_Shankly @hacks4pancakes @mrclark

That's why it doesn't hurt to use your own domain. Some good mail providers (like mailbox.org) support this.

And if you don't like the mail provider any more, you move the domain with it's atrached mail adresses to another provider (or your own server).

[gerardthornley@hachyderm.io]

@afx @hacks4pancakes
I appreciate that suggestion, although I'm interested in how you classify "small"? e.g. migadu and posteo have come up in my search; would you class either of them as small?

In general, I acknowledge small firms often have a 'mission' that's related more to their product rather than their profits, with larger companies leaning towards the latter. But there's also a lot of overhead running an email service, which makes for economies of scale.
There's presumably a goldilocks zone for email provider size - we just need to gather all the company stats and sort the list accordingly to find the best choices.

[budududuroiu@hachyderm.io]

@Ves I did, and I agree with Yen, you have to make it fast and secure, because everyone trying to break your software is racing you.

@hacks4pancakes

[hbons@mastodon.social]

@401matthall the beautiful irony of this is that his comments on AI are what’s going to kill the company.

the userbase absolutely hates this and a large enough chunk will move away.

[jb@masto.hackers.town]

@ds yeah, just caught up with the rest of the thread, and the 404media article.

I would also be hunting for a different provider. What a shitshow.

[megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social]

@hacks4pancakes I'm just.... I just don't know any more.

[bjb@fosstodon.org]

@ds @jb

Also they push to prod without QA. Hard to believe, but apparently that's what Yen directly told his staff. Apparently checking for bugs before pushing to prod slows down the process and the staff are "losers" for objecting to the new procedure.

[dan@m.danq.me]

@hacks4pancakes I've been a paying Proton user for a decade, but it's clearly time to change. My annual plan renews in less than a month, so I'm watching this thread intently for replacement suggestions.

[cczona@hachyderm.io]

@hacks4pancakes agreed. Though even if Yen were removed today I would still be very wary of the existing code. It was built under conditions where employees felt unsafe bringing up security concerns and were pressured to stop even reviewing AI-generated code. So god knows what vulnerabilities are embedded there.

It's also hard to turn around a culture once it's been this way. Most of the people with genuine expertise in security and privacy no doubt have been driven out, and those who are most willing to uncritically say yes to anything are who are left. Getting those people to engage in critical thinking and speaking up, oof, takes more than a CEO change. Anyone who succeeds him will need years of committed work to undo cavalier attitudes, toxic communication, and lazy development practices.

[janvenetor@mastodontti.fi]

@401matthall markets go up and markets crash.

This crash can actually be beneficial on the whole, the current status is potentially a huge waste of rare minerals and energy.

Most of the services provided are not in important parts of life-sustaining value chains (like john deere).

[niall@mastodon.nz]

@liquidlamp Tuta is getting hung out to dry here today too!
@Cotopaxi @hacks4pancakes

[tkissing@mastodon.social]

@Azvede Pricing seems okay, except for the fact that Family plan does not support sharing groups of passwords - and I'm not able to afford the enterprise plan for this.

Wish I could take a sabbatical at work to "just" write my own web interface on top of the KeePass format.