I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.
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Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/
@hacks4pancakes 902 down votes and counting
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@GerardThornley Same. I wasn't ready for it just be effectively gone overnight. We're all scrambling to replacements.
@hacks4pancakes And nothing out there seems to fulfill all our criteria. Tuta appears to be a popular choice, but isn't without problems. I think that's another reason I hadn't already moved - when I last looked around, I wasn't happier about anything else.
I've done self-hosting before, but it's a lot of work and I'm not on top of things enough to keep it patched against current threats. Also, cloud IPs frequently get blocked but I wouldn't want it on my home network.
Sigh...
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@karadoc @hacks4pancakes I have been concidering moving to tuta, but it sounds so silly in Swedish that I probably couldn't give the address without starting to giggle.
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@hacks4pancakes 902 down votes and counting
@Ali but that's the only thing narcissists care about so
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@Ali but that's the only thing narcissists care about so
@hacks4pancakes I understand that affects his karma or something so it's a potent ratio. I stay away from that place, but it's serving a purpose tonight
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@401matthall I am suspecting that the CEO is a loooooottttt more responsible of that than any technical delayed feature. In my case, I canceled my subscription when he decide to support Trump. And this leak will be responsible for the cancelation of other people.
@ngrbdx
Ditto. I tolerated the crypto crap, but trump was the last straw. They're a bit name, but eff that. While not as polished, Tuta's marketing of, "yeeeah, we're not going to do that like Proton" is pretty solid. -
Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/
@hacks4pancakes it's wonderful. i'm enjoying reading with my popcorn.
you know this fragile man boy CEO will be reading this and seething over it on the weekend. him and his chatbot are going to have a good conversation about it.
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@cgsines @hacks4pancakes The email part isn't even the worst for me. I finally managed to get the family to use a password manager, we each have our own vault, there is one for the wife and me for shared stuff and there is another one for all of us that has everything we also need on the kids' device.
I personally don't mind KeePass but for sharing with non-technical people it's a pain.@tkissing looks like we're in the same boat. Family Email is elsewhere (https://mailbox.org), but KeepassXC caused too much friction (sync conflicts, UX issues).
Proton Pass just worked. The thought of having to move everything *again* is painful, but I'm not willing to support this company anymore. It's a shame.
I'm not sure what alternatives actually still exist that provide the same level of functionality, ease of use and which have not fallen into the slop trap.
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@aphantastic @hacks4pancakes I've witnessed that sort of behavior from CEOs before, firsthand. You can feel the toxins in the air when you walk around the offices. And they surround themselves with enablers, each of whom has their own particular brand of toxic behavior.
@mweiss @aphantastic @hacks4pancakes ... so cutting just the head off the snake is not enough, a palace revolution is needed.
Very likely so, also from my experiences.
It should be feasible to locate some with integrity and lose the rest - just ask the folks on the ground who they would trust
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@hacks4pancakes I missed something.
What happened?
@jb my understanding is that their engineering folks have been told that they are no longer engineers, instead they are now AI babysitters
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@hacks4pancakes Wholeheartedly agree, they built a fantastic service to be then forced to compromise their own hard labor in service to someone clearly suffering from moderate/severe AI psychosis
@continuity0 @hacks4pancakes he also supported Trump at the last election... No surprise at all.
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If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s.
🫠 I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/
@hacks4pancakes Yep, I read it. He needs to be removed and is practically going on like a petulant child
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@tkissing looks like we're in the same boat. Family Email is elsewhere (https://mailbox.org), but KeepassXC caused too much friction (sync conflicts, UX issues).
Proton Pass just worked. The thought of having to move everything *again* is painful, but I'm not willing to support this company anymore. It's a shame.
I'm not sure what alternatives actually still exist that provide the same level of functionality, ease of use and which have not fallen into the slop trap.
@tkissing Bitwarden used to be a strong contender, but they too are moving into a direction that concerns me.
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@hacks4pancakes who owns the company, do you know? Looks like they need to replace the board in a hurry to save it.
"As Proton’s primary shareholder, the foundation exercises its control to ensure that Proton does not deviate from our mission to build a better internet that serves the interests of all of society."
In theory, i think the non-profit is in charge. I urge everyone to at least try a letter writing campaign to the Board of Trustees before just blowing everything up.
We have so few decent options on the internet. I dont like the idea of abandoning ship at every sign of trouble. There are some levers we can pull as a community to salvage what we can.
mailto:foundation@proton.me
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@trianderror @mrclark @hacks4pancakes Wow. To describe Gmail as feature rich worries me. Gmail doesn't even support folders.
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Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/
@hacks4pancakes shreddit.com
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@hacks4pancakes Not to toot *giggle* my own horn, but when I decided to de-Google two years ago, I did in fact consider the then-known, ahem, attitudes of the Proton CEO to be red flags & that's why I decided not to go with Proton, by far the most obvious option at the time.
When people tell us who they are, we should believe them & when a company is run by a person with questionable positions and/or ethics, we should assume that this is what the company stands for. Because it always is.
@jwcph @hacks4pancakes Well OK but if you've been on it for years - since early days?
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@hacks4pancakes And nothing out there seems to fulfill all our criteria. Tuta appears to be a popular choice, but isn't without problems. I think that's another reason I hadn't already moved - when I last looked around, I wasn't happier about anything else.
I've done self-hosting before, but it's a lot of work and I'm not on top of things enough to keep it patched against current threats. Also, cloud IPs frequently get blocked but I wouldn't want it on my home network.
Sigh...
@hacks4pancakes A starting point, not an endorsement, but this appears to be a reasonable summary of commonly-mentioned options: https://m.ai6yr.org/@ai6yr/117264309648787445
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Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/
@hacks4pancakes Shreddit!
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@hacks4pancakes Not to toot *giggle* my own horn, but when I decided to de-Google two years ago, I did in fact consider the then-known, ahem, attitudes of the Proton CEO to be red flags & that's why I decided not to go with Proton, by far the most obvious option at the time.
When people tell us who they are, we should believe them & when a company is run by a person with questionable positions and/or ethics, we should assume that this is what the company stands for. Because it always is.
