Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163
Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.
@sundogplanets When we went in Edmonton from sodium lights that I reckoned were already too bright to *far* brighter and whiter LED lights it was such a hit. My neighborhood by happenstance ended up last on the replacement cycle and it was shocking how much of a difference it made to the night sky to return to my neighborhood.
Our culture seems to be in a war against darkness and natural light. It seems like most new houses I see around are built with permanently-on outdoor lighting
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
Utah badlands
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets it would have to be a tie between two very different landscapes: the Milky Way over the back side of the Tetons right below timberline in the summer; and gazing at Orion around midnight on the beach at Tybee Island, on the Atlantic coast east of Savannah, Georgia in the winter. Spectacular, both of them.
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@sundogplanets Yes exactly. I also came across this article (on mastodon) which I think more people should read about “urban lighting” & how we’re not doing it correctly. I found it interesting (and not surprising to me) that there is significant evidence that “crime” doesn’t really “go down” because of “lighting up the night”.
@em_and_future_cats @sundogplanets "The more bad light we add, the more bad light we think we need" is such a succinct and damning summation of the approach to lighting our culture has taken over the past decades. -
Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
Visiting family near the north end of Lake Diefenbaker in rural Saskatchewan right now. Looks like it will be a clear night.
Experienced the most amazing skies on extended canoe trips in northeastern Manitoba. We would notice one or two satellites each night which seemed cool at the time.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
Lying on my back in a sheep paddock near Lake King in Western Australia.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets Three summers at Lodge Pole in Sequoia National Park, California, USA. Lived in developed park area but with very few outside lights and about 6400 ft elevation. Amazing clear skys and Milky Way views most nights.
Spent one Winter in the middle of the Mojave at about 4500 ft elevation. Amazing sky almost every night AND a astounding display of the Leonids Meteor Shower.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets My daughter and I built a Hadley telescope this past winter. We set it up in the backyard to test the initial collimation and focus.
We pointed it at Jupiter, and could see a white orb, cool, but there were repeated artifacts across the view that we couldn’t get rid of — something reflecting oddly in the mirrors.
After much fussing, we both came to the same realization: They were the Galilean *moons*! Absolutely blew our minds that we could see them through our homemade scope.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets Jemez Springs, NM in 1985
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets The first I remember is from a beach somewhere in Acadia National Park, some kind of ranger-led constellation tour, on a trip there as a kid
Most perspective shattering would be lying on the top deck of a boat, watching the aurora and the Milky Way in Glacier Bay National Park, Alaska.
Most recently, a tiny island ferry in the middle of nowhere Maine, sailing mostly lights out under the stars
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@sundogplanets Savary Island, BC, a small sandbar island with no electricity. It was Perseid meteor season and I was nightswimming in the ocean with phosphorescence. Shooting stars above, glowing trails from fish below, floating in the ocean, everything very sparkly. I felt extremely small in a good way
Now I am reminded of kayaking in the bioluminescent lagoon in Fajardo, where motorboats are not allowed and the only lights were the locator lamps on the other canoes.
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I am TOTALLY enjoying reading all these stories of awe and wonder as we get to gaze over "infinity's doorstep" with our own eyes.
This is what I am fighting for! This is what I want everyone to be able to do! It often feels like nobody cares about losing the sky, so reading how much it means to lots of people is incredibly energizing. Thank you, keep the stories coming.
As a city kid (grade 2?) with strict bedtime every day including weekends, I went on a weekend trip with school kids, probably first time away from family. Went to a ski resort probably south of Montreal. One night, stepped outside during evening activities and saw the sky, wow. It was probably still close enough to the city to get some atmosphere-reflected light, but still magnificent compared to anything I had ever seen before.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets Jack London State Park when Comet Hyakutake stretched 90 deg across the sky. Then we hunted 12th magnitude galaxies.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
Getting far enough south in the middle of the Atlantic after running from storms and chasing wind that when the sky cleared it was bloody everything. Including the southern cross. About 2N,40W.
And yes, I did pull out the cassette deck and burn precious D batteries to play that song after waking everyone on board up.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets In 1986, drove out to Joshua Tree with some Techers to gaze at Comet Halley. I was the first to spot it, but somehow I didn't get a bottle of Scotch for it. That was pretty cool.
But the biggest perspective changer was when I slept outdoors on a friend's deck under a clear sky, in the coastal mountains near Santa Cruz, and the all-night party indoors kept waking me up every few minutes and I'd glance at the sky and go back to sleep. So the night turned into a time-lapse movie of the stars sliding across the heavens. I've never looked at the sky the same way since then.
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Cayonlands, UT, spring 1997. Backpacked about 2 days in. No moon.
Comet Hale-Bopp.
The comet’s tail, not just visible to the naked eye but •vivid•, spanned at least 1/3 the width of the visible sky.
@inthehands @sundogplanets hale bopp made Halley look like a loser
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RE: https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne/117063592703392163
Most city dwellers don't know how much of the night sky has already been stolen by billionaires, because poorly planned, wasteful city lights have already drowned out the stars for them.
@sundogplanets Wouldn't be so bad if it was restricted to the country the company is based in but it affects everyone worldwide.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets
Decades ago, in the Hungarian plain during a trip. Just a huge grassland with nothing to block the horizon, no light in sight... I woke up in the night, and wow. Just wow. The Milky Way was gorgeous, the stars were soooo numerous, the sky so immense in all directions... How small and lucky I felt
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets The middle of the mojave desert, around 2010 or so, not too far from death valley.
2nd place ... I don't remember exactly where it was, it was on the drive over the mountians on a trip from New York to New Hampshire, around 2002-2003 - we stopped on some sketchy one-car-wide mountain road in the middle of the night.
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Where is the best, most incredible, most perspective-shattering night sky that you've ever seen?
For me, it was the Tekapo dark sky reserve in New Zealand a few months ago (I got up at 1am both nights I was there specifically so I could get some mostly satellite-free skies to enjoy).
Second place: Mojave desert many years ago (before megaconstellations) or winter skies about an hour outside Regina, when the nights are long and there are no sunlit satellites due to geometry.
@sundogplanets on an island in southeast Alaska, the whole sky suddenly lit up a really intense red from the northern lights
