I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.

[rr4idic@mastodon.online]

@sundogplanets Yeah... I've been encountering this at work for lower-stakes things and it's just... I wanted _your_ take, not the slop machine's. But the company I work for is all-in on "AI," and so are most of my coworkers, so I don't have a lot of space for pushing back.

[donray@mastodon.online]

@sundogplanets

Sometimes it’s good and helpful to declare your emotions. I worked with a guy that did that a lot. If something was going wrong on a project he would start with: “Hmm. I’m not very happy about that.” Still fairly polite, but direct enough not to be ambiguous.

“To be honest, I am extremely upset that you fed my work into genAI. Here’s why: [What @ravenbait said]”

[mcduncanlab@mstdn.social]

@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait

Yeah I did this when I worked with a professional editor on a grant. They were totally cool with that request.

[ravenbait@mastodon.scot]

@raymaccarthy @sundogplanets Yes, but we are still trying to talk to the kind of people who actually use them. I suppose "copied" might be more effectively blunt, however.

[mxchara@cyberpunk.lol]

@sundogplanets I'm a jerk and I don't care for prevarication so I would simply say "you have wasted my time, if I wanted LLM sludge I could have gotten it myself without going through you"

[michael_w_busch@mastodon.online]

@sundogplanets

I have had this happen a few times.

It remains profoundly disappointing; especially from people whose work I have learned from and value.

How can they value their own work so little?

And now I cannot trust what they might write in the future (at least not unless they apologize and stop using the slop machines).

[drjlecter@beige.party]

@sundogplanets fuck indeed. Ugh.

[somebody@circumstances.run]

@sundogplanets Feel free to ignore this reply if you can't bring yourself to do it, but I would personally end the relationship. It is truly at this point a question of whether or not we continue tolerating this as anything other than pariah behavior. They just gave OpenAI the power to plagiarize you before you publish. They leaked your work to a fascist corporation, and they can't take that back.

They also insulted you with a "let me Google that for you" move as if you couldn't have done the same if that was what you wanted, rather than someone's considered thoughts. It is a shunning offense to commit such an egregious violation of trust, even if they "didn't mean it".

I genuinely do not think that people who are that cornered by cognitive surrender and addiction (and it is gambling addiction in a different shirt imo) can be helped without that kind of ultimatum to tell them that what they did is unacceptable and that it's a hard line.

[dissident@mastodon.scot]

@sundogplanets @ravenbait I wouldn't bother about saying it politely. I'd be furious.

[astropug@hachyderm.io]

@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait

That’s a good idea, honestly. People are not aware of the extent to which their queries to these tools are not really private.

[kim@fedi.social]

@ravenbait@mastodon.scot @frincon@social.sciences.re @sundogplanets@mastodon.social Maybe you could sneak it into an X- header?

[pthenq1@mastodon.la]

@sundogplanets
I call those texts "brick of text" and they are for me a sign of mental decline.

[toxic_flange@infosec.exchange]

@sundogplanets Try appealing to their ego/vanity/whatever. “I asked you for your advice from your big juicy brain. ChatGPT doesn’t give the subtle attention it deserves that i know YOU would give it and have more information and experience than it does. I reached out to you because i respect the heck out of your brain and thought processes that AI could never replace! Next time let me know if you don’t have time to help, it’s ok to say you don’t have time, i get that you’re busy and wouldn’t want to impose on you blah blah blah buttering up , ego boosting”

i don’t know the person or their personality but you know best of flattery works on them i find it works occasional wonders. good luck!

[sundogplanets@mastodon.social]

I really appreciate all the great advice and suggestions. I'm just... so disappointed and know I have to approach all my interactions with this person differently in the future. I've written up a long email, but I'm realizing that won't work as well as having a conversation with the person. Especially because I'm likely to start crying during the conversation. So. That's going to be FUN.

But maybe it will help one person be less addicted to the forest-burning plagiarism machine? Maybe?

[buermann@mastodon.social]

@sundogplanets

Love having my work fed into the plagiarism machine by friends too impatient to think for themselves.

[coldfish@sfba.social]

@sundogplanets Here's how my communications have "evolved"

People instruct claude code to write or simply clean-up 20 pages of code. The developer has claude code write a "PR", which basically says, "here's what all these changes do and why I did them". And it's like 20 pages long.

So what do I do? I have started literally pasting their fucking PRs into Claude and saying, "Find the flaws in this PR and write a denial with 10 pages of detail for them to respond to"

And.... I'm sure they have AI respond to that..... etc..etc..etc....

It's the automated level of , "As per my previous email...."

[ameliasbrain@mstdn.ca]

@sundogplanets 🫤 I don't understand why people can't at least understand "if I wanted the LLM's analysis, I could have prompted it myself". Do they think they're doing you a favour by burning their tokens instead?

Of course, what I'd really want is for them to understand why "I didn't have time or interest to read your document, but I wanted to make sure that you had a long response to read" is such an insult to a colleague.

[aredridel@wandering.shop]

@sundogplanets @irene God that is incredibly rude. Holy cow.

But that’s how I’d approach it: someone just did the equivalent of a door-slam-in-face-and-lock-the-door level rudeness.

[colo_lee@mstdn.social]

@sundogplanets unsolicited suggestion so ignore as approp

but I'd focus on the personal betrayal rather than the larger ethical and geopolitical issues. This is someone you've trusted and relied on and asked for help. And they didn't respect that request and instead delegated it to a machine. You could have used the chat bot too but you thought your (formerly) trusted colleague would give you some personal help. And they didn't respect that request.

This makes it personal for them too.

[ravenbait@mastodon.scot]

@kim @frincon @sundogplanets I don't have that kind of access, unfortunately.