> We are completely overwhelmed, of course.

[hipsterelectron@circumstances.run]

@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt i have no clue how well gentoo hurd will end up working but i'm hopeful

[raster@retro-gaiden.com]

@zzt This is just the natural outcome.
The real red flags where when IBM (that is working into AI from more than a decade) buyed Red Hat and when they pushed madly a broken systemD as the usual "it's the FuTuRe" in the same guise they are pushing Wayland... that isn't really ready yet either for a lot of cases.
With these precedents why the LLMs push is so strange? Is just a normal development for these people.

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@zzt@mas.to @hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

God I hope it somehow sparks a revival in the Hurd. Purely because microkernels are just better and I selfishly want my preferred technology to be proven in the desktop. /hj

[hipsterelectron@circumstances.run]

@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt it's also like the only OS that has rejected LLMs and i think there's a reason for that

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

We stan NetBSD here.

[c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io]

@hipsterelectron @daemonspudguy @zzt I’m sure it’s got some Hurd-les in front of it :rimshot:

[c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io]

@hipsterelectron @daemonspudguy @zzt neat!
This does give me pause: “amd64 support exists in Gentoo but it is less stable so far than x86.”
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Hurd

[hipsterelectron@circumstances.run]

@c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt i don't know how to evaluate that without further context but "so far" indicates it is a subject of active research

[cap_ybarra@beige.party]

@zzt thank you meta, the company so visionary it renamed itself after a market already on the way out, you have a great take on what decisions won't look terrible in the near future

[c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io]

@zzt yes, I am still sore about someone who installed Windows ME on my Pentium 3.

[thankfulmachine@oldbytes.space]

@zzt Thank you Meta. Since you've started spraying anorgasmia chemtrails across the planet, I'm really glad to have your ananorgasmia inhalers. My sex life has never been so not quite almost what it was before

[hipsterelectron@circumstances.run]

@lykso @c0dec0dec0de @daemonspudguy @zzt oooooo thanks!

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

HyperbolaBSD is also from the same cranks who decided that running an obsolete and thoroughly exploitable kernel was a good idea so quite frankly I think you'd be a fucking fool to ever trust it, or anything from that same group of people.

[hipsterelectron@circumstances.run]

@daemonspudguy @zzt @lykso @c0dec0dec0de is there more information about this anywhere?

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

The kernel it's using is Linux-libre (already a bad sign anyways because that kernel can't update microcode at all) version 5.10, which is absolutely ancient.

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

I would try to find a specific source about their stance itself but their website is utterly impenetrable because it's all philosophical wankery that I can't make sense of because my eyes physically can't read it. The kernel version, though, is just right on the package list. Last updated August 2025.

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

Oh my god I found one. It doesn't mention the kernel specifically but the fact that the kernel is clearly included in it makes it clear that that's their position.
https://wiki.hyperbola.info/doku.php?id=en:philosophy:reject_machinelearning#outcome_and_decisions_for_hyperbola

#outcome_and_decisions_for_hyperbola

[ophiocephalic@kolektiva.social]

@zzt
Identity scans for everything on the internet. Thank you Meta!

[pastelfluffyfox@meow.social]

@zzt feeling like gandalf when he read that journal about the fall of moria, only it's about LLMs coming to the linux kernel

[daemonspudguy@app.wafrn.net]

@hipsterelectron@circumstances.run @zzt@mas.to @lykso@tiny.tilde.website @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io

Your list of operating systems ain't exactly large if LLM extruded code is a complete dealbreaker. Especially if you're exposing something on the internet.