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On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected.

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  • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

    @fesshole Same with StackOverflow - that site is toxic. For all the complaints about AI - it gives me better results without the blatant misogyny. Not least - no mansplaining to me why my question is wrong. I will not miss its demise.

    beeoproblem@mastodon.gamedev.placeB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #5

    @chronovore @fesshole that's what drives me crazy about SO

    At its start it was really helpful. But then the site gradually became less about Q&A and more about going for points and e-peen measuring. Way too many questions end up "why are you doing that" or having the highest voted answer being flagrantly wrong

    Still it's nominally better than the before times where searching a question turned up forum threads with no answer, elitist flaming, "fixed it" or paywalled Experts Exchange links.

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    • beeoproblem@mastodon.gamedev.placeB beeoproblem@mastodon.gamedev.place

      @chronovore @fesshole that's what drives me crazy about SO

      At its start it was really helpful. But then the site gradually became less about Q&A and more about going for points and e-peen measuring. Way too many questions end up "why are you doing that" or having the highest voted answer being flagrantly wrong

      Still it's nominally better than the before times where searching a question turned up forum threads with no answer, elitist flaming, "fixed it" or paywalled Experts Exchange links.

      richlv@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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      #6

      @beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole Any examples of the highest voted answer being indeed wrong?

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      • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

        On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

        astromech@djs.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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        #7

        @fesshole Modern problems...

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        • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

          On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

          doraii@furry.engineerD This user is from outside of this forum
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          #8

          @fesshole I normally only stay on certain sides of the Linux community, mostly super queer ones, so I forgot how very non-progressive so much of it is.

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          • benhm3@saint-paul.usB benhm3@saint-paul.us

            @jackeric @fesshole

            https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law

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            #9

            @BenHM3 @fesshole y'know what I had no idea it was Ward Cunningham who this is credited to... for some reason I had it associated with Admiral Cunningham

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            • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

              On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

              motorbed@metalhead.clubM This user is from outside of this forum
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              #10

              @fesshole
              Hi there! I'm sorry to hear that. One would think that the glory penguin does not allow something like that. Forums in general are always a risky a place to ask questions. "to hell with you if you didn't read the 60 page FAQ and the 20 page 'where to start'". it's even worse if there is a just slightly similar question laying around somewhere on the board that has been answered. and " damn you" if you didnt put enough information like all of your sensitive details and logs in your question from the start.. i'm sad to hear that with all the obstacles that are already there, beeing a woman adds another one.

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              • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

                motorbed@metalhead.clubM This user is from outside of this forum
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                #11

                @fesshole One problem on those pages is definitely, that those persons who are able to solve all these problems are very smart with that stuff... but not with human interaction.. or patience.. or understanding the emotional side of a logical correction.. and that that incompetence maybe makes them even more toxic..

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                • benhm3@saint-paul.usB benhm3@saint-paul.us

                  @jackeric @fesshole

                  https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Cunningham%27s_Law

                  clickhere@mastodon.ieC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #12

                  @BenHM3 @jackeric @fesshole Wait. You're telling me that Cunningham's Law defeats Dunning-Kruger effect? 😧

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                  • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                    On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

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                    #13

                    @fesshole Is this a Con job, or... a... Con Fess shun?..

                    watawoyld

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                    • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                      @beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole Any examples of the highest voted answer being indeed wrong?

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                      #14

                      @richlv @beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole

                      On ask Ubuntu, the highest rated answer is often out if date, but it can sometimes be a useful hint on how to search further.

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                      • richlv@mastodon.socialR richlv@mastodon.social

                        @beeoproblem @chronovore @fesshole Any examples of the highest voted answer being indeed wrong?

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                        #15

                        @richlv @chronovore @fesshole example I ran into today was an answer to a question "misunderstanding of before in cypress." Person is visiting a page in a (before) call, first test passes others fail with a blank page.

                        Top answer "you are trying one test per command" which is an architectural decision unrelated to the question

                        Actual, correct answer "you have test isolation turned on"

                        I don't keep a list of encounters but it's something I run into often enough to remember as a "thing"

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                        • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                          On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

                          thedaemon@snac.9front.clubT This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #16
                          Funny yet sad.
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                          • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                            On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

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                            #17

                            @fesshole fuckin internet hack right there.

                            10/10 no notes

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                            • thedaemon@snac.9front.clubT thedaemon@snac.9front.club
                              Funny yet sad.
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                              #18
                              Indeed.

                              CC: @fesshole@mastodon.social
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                              • clickhere@mastodon.ieC clickhere@mastodon.ie

                                @BenHM3 @jackeric @fesshole Wait. You're telling me that Cunningham's Law defeats Dunning-Kruger effect? 😧

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                                #19

                                @clickhere @jackeric @fesshole

                                No, it defeats the bullshit “wisdom of crowds.” D-K is like the gravitational constant.

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                                • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                                  @fesshole Same with StackOverflow - that site is toxic. For all the complaints about AI - it gives me better results without the blatant misogyny. Not least - no mansplaining to me why my question is wrong. I will not miss its demise.

                                  mkoek@mastodon.nlM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #20

                                  @chronovore @fesshole oh don’t worry, as a man I too always get a bunch of busybodies explaining why my question is wrong wrong wrong (alternative explanation: could be that I just ask really stupid questions 🙂)

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                                  • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                                    On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

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                                    #21

                                    @fesshole If you don't know the answer, how do you know it's the wrong answer?

                                    This is, of course, a version of the "a stopped clock is right twice a day" problem.

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                                    • fesshole@mastodon.socialF fesshole@mastodon.social

                                      On Linux forums I, a woman, would get ignored and disrespected. These days I ask my question, then switch to a fake account to give a completely wrong answer, then switch back again to thank them and praise their Linux knowledge. The experts show up right away. Sorted.

                                      reallylazybear@mastodon.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #22

                                      @fesshole It's just nerds not able to resist to correct wrong stuff. I see it all the time. Hell even they cant resist apostrophe's and wrong splellings !

                                      But I have respect for women. I'm just scared of them. I'm afraid to look at their faces, eyes or come in contact with them. Not because I hate women, but I don't want to offend, or cause any kind of commotion. I'm scared of the unknown and they are the unknown

                                      I've had traumatic experiences with my parents, especially with my mum so yeah...

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                                      • chronovore@infosec.exchangeC chronovore@infosec.exchange

                                        @fesshole Same with StackOverflow - that site is toxic. For all the complaints about AI - it gives me better results without the blatant misogyny. Not least - no mansplaining to me why my question is wrong. I will not miss its demise.

                                        jesusmargar@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #23

                                        @chronovore @fesshole the same happened with mathoverflow. It wasn't like this when it started but at some point in the last decade it changed.

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                                        • reallylazybear@mastodon.socialR reallylazybear@mastodon.social

                                          @fesshole It's just nerds not able to resist to correct wrong stuff. I see it all the time. Hell even they cant resist apostrophe's and wrong splellings !

                                          But I have respect for women. I'm just scared of them. I'm afraid to look at their faces, eyes or come in contact with them. Not because I hate women, but I don't want to offend, or cause any kind of commotion. I'm scared of the unknown and they are the unknown

                                          I've had traumatic experiences with my parents, especially with my mum so yeah...

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                                          #24

                                          @reallylazybear @fesshole I feel seen.

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