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  3. If you're a white person on the Fediverse and you've never seen someone called a slur, or threats made against them--congratulations!

If you're a white person on the Fediverse and you've never seen someone called a slur, or threats made against them--congratulations!

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  • woozle@toot.catW woozle@toot.cat

    @flippac That sounds like an excellent suggestion.

    I'm not sure where to poke to try and make this happen, but I'll keep my eyes open for opportunities.

    @dave

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    #93

    @woozle if you go up to my OP, I added a new reply this morning that includes a link to the Mastodon github. That's the place to open an issue if you have a suggestion.

    @flippac

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    • dave@alvarado.socialD dave@alvarado.social

      @dalias @MxAlba yes, this. "Public post but only <my followers and/or people I follow> can reply" would be a huge step in the right direction. It would let you say something to the world without letting the world talk back, but you still get feedback from your friends.

      "I want to get this off my chest but I don't want to hear your opinion about it" is not possible in Mastodon today.

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      #94

      @dave @dalias @MxAlba in my experience this might also only kinda work, but probs better than nothing.

      Had somebody harassing me below my replies, but _I_ haven't seen it, because I've blocked them way before already, but that did mean some of my followers were seeing it and started to engage with that harasser, because some instances will just find ways to also get around that.

      And then I saw the replies to the reply and was obviously curious what this was all about...

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      • kevinrns@mstdn.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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        #95

        @dave

        I'm confused, what invites aggression in reporting a jackass?

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          #96

          @Pierrette @dave I have experienced this stuff first hand. It's like, being attacked by a hord of racist zombies.

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          • N nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me

            @Pierrette @dave I have experienced this stuff first hand. It's like, being attacked by a hord of racist zombies.

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            #97

            @NicksWorld @dave
            💔 better be warned in advance then

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            • pierrette@mastodon.unoP pierrette@mastodon.uno

              @NicksWorld @dave
              💔 better be warned in advance then

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              #98

              @Pierrette @dave oh no, the type that run at you without warning so you don't even have a chance at defending yourself.

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              • N nicksworld@mastodon.stickbear.me

                @Pierrette @dave oh no, the type that run at you without warning so you don't even have a chance at defending yourself.

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                #99

                @NicksWorld @dave
                😕

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                • anne_delong@musician.socialA anne_delong@musician.social

                  @fishidwardrobe @MxAlba @dave

                  In order to keep their abuse secret, these harassing accounts would have to use "Request to follow", because otherwise their abuse could be easily exposed by those following them.

                  I have avoided following anyone with this setting, not wanting to be in a group where others are not welcome. I know this is a weak reason, but now I have a stronger one.

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                  #100

                  @Anne_Delong@musician.social @fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk @dave@alvarado.social

                  I have follow approval switched on because I don't want creeps following me. I do have it set that if I already follow you, you don't need approval to follow me...

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                  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                    @Rhube @MxAlba @dave I think you misread because the above has no impact on public posts without any reply restrictions. It would be part of the long requested reply control features one could use if you want to limit who can reply to you. And one very useful limitiation would be "you can't change the scope of who the post is visible to".

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                    #101

                    @dalias@hachyderm.io @Rhube@wandering.shop @dave@alvarado.social

                    Of course that also would technically block people from privately responding to a public message...

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                    • mxalba@blahaj.zoneM mxalba@blahaj.zone

                      @dalias@hachyderm.io @Rhube@wandering.shop @dave@alvarado.social

                      Of course that also would technically block people from privately responding to a public message...

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                      #102

                      @MxAlba @Rhube @dave Only if the public message has a reply control preventing that. In which case if you really want to reference it in a DM you can just include a link or quote (if quoting permission allows that).

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                      • thomasfuchs@hachyderm.ioT thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io

                        @flesh @pierrenick @dave you’re coming up with a hypothetical that sinply doesn’t matter in real usage ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

                        removed replies on Bluesky (unless th OP outright blocked the accounts posting) are still visible but hidden by default, so you can see what got removed (these also include moderated removal of low-quality replies, such as stuff that’s just expletives)

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                        #103

                        @thomasfuchs@hachyderm.io @pierrenick@hachyderm.io @dave@alvarado.social Well, that's less bad than first expected.
                        I still don't think such tools are entirely abuse-proof.
                        And do you have any evidence that such potential abuse positively doesn't matter other than "I haven't noticed it"?

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                        • kevinrns@mstdn.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #104

                          @dave

                          No, using reporting. To mods. Its not public. I dont understand.

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                            #105

                            @dave

                            But mods can see all the posts, and reporting is not public.

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                            • kevinrns@mstdn.socialK kevinrns@mstdn.social

                              @dave

                              No, using reporting. To mods. Its not public. I dont understand.

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                              #106

                              @kevinrns ah. Reporting to mods is not what I'm describing in that second example. I'm talking about posting screenshots to prove to people that harassment is happening.

                              Reporting to mods doesn't stop harassment because most harassment is from sock puppet accounts.

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                              • mxalba@blahaj.zoneM mxalba@blahaj.zone

                                @Anne_Delong@musician.social @fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk @dave@alvarado.social

                                I have follow approval switched on because I don't want creeps following me. I do have it set that if I already follow you, you don't need approval to follow me...

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                                #107

                                @MxAlba @fishidwardrobe @dave

                                That sounds sensible.

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                                • mkljczk@pl.fediverse.plM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #108
                                  @shlee @dave

                                  >Followers only should be your curated, locked down followers list, but also everyone following the one person you’ve mentioned that doesn’t moderate their followers at all.

                                  This would be absolutely disastrous for user safety.
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                                    #109

                                    @fishidwardrobe
                                    Mastodon client app makers can also add that setting on their app, @apps @Tusky which would be useful if mastodon dev dismiss the problem.

                                    @julesbl @dave

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                                      #110

                                      @dave

                                      @flippac i shared ages ago how this happens with folks targeting trans and/or disabled folks and/ or BIPOC, and all it did was jumpstart more harassment and nothing changed. some servers still don't give a fuck so reporting doesn't work either.

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                                      • dragonfi@social.jsteuernagel.deD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #111

                                        @dave So, you say that followers only does not extend to followers of "@"-ed people? This sounds like a bug to me.

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