Truly evil lobbying example https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-choose-ai-climate-goals-data-center-chief-warns/

[masek@infosec.exchange]

@GossiTheDog Hard choices between billionaire income and survival of the species have to be done...

[seconduniverse@autistics.life]

@GossiTheDog Let me rewrite that headline:

"Europe must choose between making trillionaires and survival"

[peter_sc@chaos.social]

@GossiTheDog I mean, I know why, but like, how is this even a debate?!

[seconduniverse@autistics.life]

@GossiTheDog Global warming means the collapse of the AMOC which will have a catastrophic effect on northern Europe. Europe is one of the areas most at risk of climate change. Fuck greed.

For a billionaire, no yacht is ever big enough.

[di4na@hachyderm.io]

@GossiTheDog tbf for all the talks of the EU being full business happy, i don't see the climate goals being washed down that much there.

Like ffs, look at thr graph of EU emissions for the last few decades. And no, to anticipate the response from some, it is not from outsourcing it, we have the data on that too

[retrocomputing@mastodon.social]

@GossiTheDog
I'm still astonished that no one has kicked the AI designers back to the drawing board, to only come back when they can provide a normal, power-efficient implementation of their tools...

[datarama@hachyderm.io]

@drahardja @GossiTheDog clearly you've never talked to a "longtermist" or other tech cultist.

(or you've successfully repressed that sad experience).

I've worked with one, who genuinely thought humanity should commit collective suicide after building AI, to leave our resources to the "successor intelligence".

[bontchev@infosec.exchange]

@GossiTheDog He's absolutely right though. You can either "go green" to "save the plant", sanction Russian gas, fall behind the USA, and let China win. Or you could try to catch up on computing power by increasing energy production as much as possible. You can't do both. The EU must choose. I'm sure that it will make the wrong choice, as usual.

[datarama@hachyderm.io]

@drahardja @GossiTheDog I'm a third-generation atheist (possibly more), and I genuinely miss mostly having to butt heads with the kind of apocalyptic cult who didn't think they'd have to build God themselves first.

[datarama@hachyderm.io]

@drahardja @GossiTheDog (also, I sometimes find myself wondering whether modern-day tech cultists - most of whom are nominally atheist - are an example of people who haven't really been able to find comfort or make meaning in a godless world. The exact kind of nihilism that Nietzsche warned about 150 years ago.)

[leberschnitzel@existiert.ch]

@GossiTheDog what is this, an episode of "Captain Planet"??

[tak@gush.taks.garden]

@GossiTheDog tbh I feel like everybody is pretty much in alignment that we need to choose between ai and a livable planet, people are just making their choices

[brokar@mastodon.social]

@GossiTheDog I find it weird that Politico has an image in the article showing heat pipes from a cooling system of a datacenter. This has nothing to do with the actual topic.

And the main issue is not if we have the power to run the datacenters, but the needed emergency generators, which currently all are based on gas turbines, the most convenient solution. Imagine having a gigawatt datacenter, how many gas turbines would you need to run it in case the main power drops down?

[bdf2121cc3334b35b6ecda66e471@mastodon.social]

@GossiTheDog considering the AI industry is a trillion dollars in debt and solar is profitable, the ethics don't even really need to be considered. Don't do things that don't make sense. Simple.

[sebastianbelmacuse@mastodon.social]

@GossiTheDog
They don't have an real choices any more - with nuclear power an AI they must be content to live as beasts of the field.

[mavnn@bonfire.mavnn.eu]

@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social You'd hope tactics like this would be self-defeating, but unfortunately that "hope" is bearing rather a lot of weight I'm not sure it can support.

[ahltorp@mastodon.nu]

@retrocomputing @GossiTheDog There are lots of ways to make tools that do things with much much less power, but there are no incentives whatsoever for these companies to use them. Their answer is always to throw more power at the ”problem”.

[musing_sys@social.fringesec.ca]

@GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social dipshits

[petealexharris@mastodon.scot]

@bontchev @GossiTheDog

It'd be pretty hard to fall behind the US in governance and science policy, so we needn't take any positive lessons from them. Europe is full of people, and people need a livable environment more than they need China not to "win" something left unstated.

Catch up on computing power or catch up on computing sovereignty? Not the same thing. The "more gigawatts is better computing" approach is gallons-per-mile thinking.

[dec23k@mastodon.ie]

@bontchev @GossiTheDog
"ICEBERG, DEAD AHEAD!"

"THIS TECHNOLOGY IS INEVITABLE, FULL STEAM AHEAD!"

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