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  • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

    Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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    #120

    @zackwhittaker
    > end-to-end encrypted
    Which ends?

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    • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

      Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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      vaui@mastodon.berlin
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      #121

      @zackwhittaker

      Certainly not legal in Germany.

      Yes, we might be the Amish of the 1990th, but sometimes it has its advantages... 🤪

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      • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

        @sylvie @zackwhittaker do we just call it the pervert phone? what's the shaming angle this time? how to cancel this product

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        #122

        @lritter @sylvie @zackwhittaker I thought it was an Apple Watch feature and not an iPhone feature.

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        • sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.comS sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.com

          @lritter @zackwhittaker It's probably worth pointing out there's 2 surveillance features that were highlighted: Live Rewind which has that ~15 second of ring buffer. What is more concerning to me is the Siri Recap feature that "ambiently takes notes on your conversations throughout your day and creates high-level Apple Intelligence–generated summaries that you can use later to jog your memory, so you can stay present in the moment. Your summaries auto-delete after 7 days if you choose not to save them."

          Through a business view, this is a problem because it's one more device by which sensitive things communicated orally can be more casually exfiltrated. From a just trying to live my life view and hanging around in sensitive third spaces, this is a privacy nightmare unless tech like the Deveillance Spectre I is able to properly counter this.

          https://support.apple.com/en-gb/148354

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          #123

          @sylvie @lritter @zackwhittaker This is the kind of thing that when done by Microsoft receives massive pushback (as it should BTW), but when done by Apple is weirdly embraced 🤷‍♂️

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          • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

            Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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            #124

            @zackwhittaker I am confused here, didn't they use the voice transcription and unauthorized use of mic prior to this;
            Aren't they kind of legitimising it.

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            • mahryekuh@hachyderm.ioM mahryekuh@hachyderm.io

              @orange @zackwhittaker Think of it… a watch that records all sounds, glasses that record all you see, both concealed, working in tandem.

              I can see some accessibility merit for it, but bottom-line: this stuff is dangerous and we shouldn't want it.

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              #125

              @mahryekuh I’ve wanted something like MS Recall at one point. But I didn’t build it, I didn’t distribute it, and though I didn’t think of the privacy implications, it’s because it was just wishful thinking (and also, nobody is paying me seven figures a year to think about those.) I don’t want it anymore.
              @orange @zackwhittaker

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              • freediverx@mastodon.socialF freediverx@mastodon.social

                @mahryekuh @orange @zackwhittaker
                Particularly worrisome given Apple's ties to Israel and obsequiousness to the Trump admin.

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                #126

                @freediverx Obsequiousness, woooo!

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                • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                  Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                  #127

                  @zackwhittaker

                  Big brother is here…

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                  • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                    Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                    #128

                    @zackwhittaker I am reading 1984 right now, and how are these devices NOT telescreen-equivalents?

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                    • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                      Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                      #129

                      @zackwhittaker always listening, never private. Yet another way for capitalism to spy on our every move. This used to be a paranoid take & now it’s quite realistic

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                      • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                        Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                        #130

                        @zackwhittaker
                        They invented the Big Brother screens, except smaller.

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                        • ariarhythmic@ohai.socialA ariarhythmic@ohai.social

                          @zackwhittaker "End-to-end encrypted"

                          End 1: your device; End 2: Apple's servers. Checkmate privacy!

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                          #131

                          @ariarhythmic @zackwhittaker end-to-bandit-fraud, if the creators of so called privacy only take the word encryption in their mouth me shaking with spasmatic loughter 🤥

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                          • deepak@mastodon.nlD deepak@mastodon.nl

                            @zackwhittaker they are losing the plot here. If you don’t understand something someone said, you politely ask them to repeat not check the notes on your watch. Their restaurant example was so contrived and bizarre.

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                            #132

                            @deepak @zackwhittaker @zzt all of their examples are contrived and bizarre. Oh grandma said she wanted to make either peach or lemon pie. Hmmm, here’s some fruit for sale. Siri, are any of these either peaches or lemons? Also in previous years examples of making up bedtime stories for your children. For fuck’s sake.

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                            • deepak@mastodon.nlD deepak@mastodon.nl

                              @zackwhittaker they are losing the plot here. If you don’t understand something someone said, you politely ask them to repeat not check the notes on your watch. Their restaurant example was so contrived and bizarre.

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                              #133

                              @deepak @zackwhittaker

                              If you don't understand them because they are speaking another language do not tell them that you are a foreigner.

                              Tell them that you are hard of hearing.

                              Then they will speak more slowly and loudly rather than calling you names and spitting on you.

                              This works well everywhere on earth, except Paris.

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                              • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                                @zackwhittaker isn't this just illegal in all-party states? like, I don't know, _california_?

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                                #134

                                @glyph @zackwhittaker I'm sure they'll try to argue it's different because the recordings aren't accessible and it's only a transcript

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                                • anniebuddy@thecanadian.socialA anniebuddy@thecanadian.social

                                  @zackwhittaker

                                  Who wants to design the phone box for anyone who enters my house to put their phone while they visit?

                                  Seriously. I am so not tolerating this.

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                                  #135

                                  @AnnieBuddy @zackwhittaker What about a box for your lg-tv?

                                  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lg-smart-tv-listen-b3046743.html

                                  *sarcasm off*
                                  I do still support such boxes

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                                  • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                    Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                    #136

                                    @zackwhittaker Am so glad I ditched my Apple Watch a year or so ago. Am now happy with a "dumb" watch that isn't connected to anything.

                                    The next step is to leave the phone for only those times I need to interact with buying things or travel (where phones and apps now sadly dominate). I use to think progress was good but it turns out it wasn't, it was just building a gilded cage.

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                                    • sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.comS sylvie@gabriel.havfruefestning.com

                                      @lritter @zackwhittaker It's probably worth pointing out there's 2 surveillance features that were highlighted: Live Rewind which has that ~15 second of ring buffer. What is more concerning to me is the Siri Recap feature that "ambiently takes notes on your conversations throughout your day and creates high-level Apple Intelligence–generated summaries that you can use later to jog your memory, so you can stay present in the moment. Your summaries auto-delete after 7 days if you choose not to save them."

                                      Through a business view, this is a problem because it's one more device by which sensitive things communicated orally can be more casually exfiltrated. From a just trying to live my life view and hanging around in sensitive third spaces, this is a privacy nightmare unless tech like the Deveillance Spectre I is able to properly counter this.

                                      https://support.apple.com/en-gb/148354

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                                      #137

                                      @sylvie @lritter @zackwhittaker given that most people cannot shut up about themselves if you show the least bit of interest, I can’t wait to spot acquaintances with one of these devices, engage them in conversation and prompt them to reveal any and everything that could be used for identity theft, saying their name out loud often, then remind them that they’ve just sent their entire family history to apple in minute detail.

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                                      • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                        Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                        #138
                                        @zackwhittaker
                                        The apple watches have been listening to everything for as long as i can remember. It's implied that the recordings are only used to notify the user of dangerously loud sounds and stuff like that, but the surveillance potential is immense
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                                        • zackwhittaker@mastodon.socialZ zackwhittaker@mastodon.social

                                          Watching this Apple event tout how iPhones will soon be able to record ambient audio/conversations and transcribe "high level notes" for you. It's billed as private and end-to-end encrypted, but I think the bigger harm is the normalization of always-listening devices. It's creepy and not normal.

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                                          #139

                                          @zackwhittaker an always online, always listening device. Have our society gone mad?

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