Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

[tezoatlipoca@mas.to]

@grote

If we DO go through all this bullshit to sideload or get F-droid installed... so now our phone is in developer mode. Are there going to be any authorized Google store apps that detect developer mode and go "nuh-uh"? And if that's the case, and I disable developer mode (presumeably borking our F-droid/sideload apps?), will I have to wait 24 hrs to RE-enable dev mode?

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@tezoatlipoca @grote From the look of what they're saying, yes, if you disable it it would be another 24 hours to reenable.

I wouldn't put it past them to limit how often or even how many times you can enable it.

[old_angry_queer@girlcock.club]

@terminaltilt yeah, i don't like that. i don't even give my phone my fingerprints in the first place.

@grote

[lkundrak@metalhead.club]

@grote one year later we've updated our policies

* wait extra day
* enable accelerometer
* wank the phone for 10 minutes
* wait another day

[benjistokman@mast.benstokman.me]

@grote the fact that there's a reboot in the chain proves that even Google doesn't believe closing down android keeps users safe

[lioh@social.anoxinon.de]

@grote so is not so bad in the end.

[oatrapado@mastodon.social]

@grote i want to stop using inoperative systems like android or ios, that's it

[fifisch@social.vivaldi.net]

@nazokiyoubinbou @grote However scary the whole new Google process is for the non-expert user, installing a new OS on your daily driver phone is a hundred times scarier.

[nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social]

@FifiSch @grote I don't really understand that. The instructions are so simple and detailed and the "new OS" is basically exactly the same thing right down to having the same basic startup configuration and etc. The only difference is the Google connections are optional and one can decide for themselves how far they want to go.

It's pretty much just tapping a few things, then copying and pasting two lines or so. Once it's booted you wouldn't tell it apart from stock other than its cleanliness. It's easier than installing Linux on a PC and that's actually a lot easier and less scary than people have been convinced.

I bet if people didn't let Google, Apple, and etc convince them that they are so scared of installing third party options we never would have reached this point.

[stonebear2@hachyderm.io]

@grote ctrl-alt-fsckit, that just put making a de-googled phone way the f*** up there on my priority list.

[kerplunk@mastodon.scot]

@grote

Google has news on what you will need to do for still being able to sideload apps:

I had expected worse, as long as the phone otherwise works during a 24 hour security delay and I can set allow side loading without an expiry it is acceptable.

Unlikely that more can be asked for as what that notice offers will placate politicians and courts.

[mcepl@en.osm.town]

@grote

I truly honestly thought it was a parody. Unbelieveable! What will happen to #Aurora ?

#Fail #LineageOSNow

[computersaysno@digitalcourage.social]

@grote the argument is nice:

"57% of surveyed adults experienced a scam in the past year, resulting in a global consumer loss of $442 billion"

But the real question then is: How much scam and loss is due to malicious side loaded apps?

[mo@mastodon.ml]

@grote and then

"anonymous statistics shows almost no one using «advanced flow» so we're removing it!"

[retrosponge@kind.social]

@grote I will jump through whatever hoops Google fucking ask for out of sheer spite at this point.

[kepi@mamutovo.cz]

@grote I suppose you forgot, that you have to do this only during full moon?

[neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk]

@grote And this is the *starting position*.

[bubu@chaos.social]

@grote @TimWardCam maybe it's time to revive the device owner privileged extension at that point .

[egoldblatt@gardenstate.social]

@grote This is utter madness. I don't know how we can push back as users, but we must.

[agowa338@chaos.social]

@grote

Tbh, considering that border agents also sideload their spyware and then wipe it off when you have to hand them your phone unlocked and they vanish with it for a few minutes this is probably a good thing though.

Also you've only to go through it once.

The only question I have is if they'll allow Apps to query this, if they do then that'll be the bigger issue as then almost all anti-cheat, anti-tamper, and "root detection" frameworks will add it instantly...