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What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago.

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  • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

    Like, if it needs to be said, the Democrats are a conservative party.

    They're not even socially liberal, fiscally conservative.

    They're just conservative-conservative.

    Worse than fucking Nixon, like I said, in some respects.

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    #9

    @gwynnion

    The contemporary Democratic party is to the RIGHT of Eisenhower. A side-by-side comparison of their policy agendas shows this to be true, and if more people realized it, their idea of what the word "conservative" means might start to bear resemblance to reality.

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    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

      What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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      @gwynnion thank god for Rupert Murdoch and his clever realization that controlling the media was a more effective way to cull society I mean socialism @lisamelton

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      • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

        What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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        #11

        @gwynnion what I call socialism is much more radical and much more closer to revolutionary Marxism

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        • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

          What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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          @gwynnion Eisenhower would be called an extreme leftist today.

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          • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

            What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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            #13

            @gwynnion It is a real shame (and most likely by design) that the average USian seems to have zero historical context for the language we use.

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            • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

              What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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              #14

              @gwynnion it's intentional polarisation: moving things further apart that should be conceptionally closer together. It helps ensuring people join opinionated camps and rile against one another, effectively shutting down collaboration and open dialogue.

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              • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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                #15

                @gwynnion This should make clear the shift to the right to our eleven to thirteen readers.

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                • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                  What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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                  #16

                  @gwynnion About the only things we didn't have were UBI (& that was on the Dem platform) and Med care for all. Many of the politicians on the Right were farther to the Left than many Dem's of today. AOC & Mamdani were middle left. & the communist party had folks running for president. We were on the edge of having what the Nordic countries have today. Then Nixon married the Christian right. Then Reagan took away the controls of Capitalism & instituted the $ vacuum to the rich.

                  Peace

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                  • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                    What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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                    #17

                    @gwynnion It's pretty telling that Nixon as he was in his policies is further to the progressive left, than most Establishment Democrats now.

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                    • gwynnion@mastodon.socialG gwynnion@mastodon.social

                      What's called "socialism" in America was bog standard "liberalism" a few decades ago. In some cases, it was considered moderate, common sense bipartisan policy. Even Nixon thought universal healthcare and the Clean Air Act were good ideas!

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                      #18

                      @gwynnion What's disdainfully referred to as "socialism" in the US simply isn't a thing. It's strawman comprised of the worst parts of Russia under Stalin + dashes of anecdotes & scare stories from Cuba & Cambodia etc. + whatever things Conservatives don't like, real or fake, as if that constitutes an ideology & also represents what everyone asking for any kind of basic human rights *really* want...

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