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  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

    @eladhen

    Which is a very good point. But instead of attacking the autistic person.... one could try attacking the system instead. 🤷‍♀️

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    #33

    @KatyElphinstone of course. But the system is invisible. You need a mental model of it to start seeing it, and our society did a lot to help us forget and naturalize the system.

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    • eladhen@tooot.imE eladhen@tooot.im

      @KatyElphinstone of course. But the system is invisible. You need a mental model of it to start seeing it, and our society did a lot to help us forget and naturalize the system.

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      #34

      @eladhen

      Yes.... it's very Wizard of Oz. Hidden, and assumed. Invisible in plain sight. And not a very reachable target. Much more satisfying to kick down & have your blow connect with something satisfyingly soft. 😬

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      • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

        @eladhen

        Yes.... it's very Wizard of Oz. Hidden, and assumed. Invisible in plain sight. And not a very reachable target. Much more satisfying to kick down & have your blow connect with something satisfyingly soft. 😬

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        #35

        @KatyElphinstone
        my read is that "the autism epidemic" is actually the breakage of our "normal" with a normality that is drifting away from sustainability even on a personal basis. And autists are just the canaries in the coal mine.

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        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

          Deficit or difference 🧵

          Autistic deficit no.2:
          Taking words seriously.

          In the “negative or nothing” model of autism, this is framed as literal-mindedness, rather than respect for meaning.

          3/13

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          #36

          @KatyElphinstone I had “I’m NOT stopping in the middle of the street! I’m stopping at 2/3 of the street!”…

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          • fabienmarry@mastodon.socialF fabienmarry@mastodon.social

            @KatyElphinstone I had “I’m NOT stopping in the middle of the street! I’m stopping at 2/3 of the street!”…

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            @fabienmarry

            😂

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            • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

              Deficit or difference 🧵

              Autistic deficit no.4:
              Deep focus and commitment.

              In the “negative or nothing” model of autism, this is framed as obsession, rather than depth, care, or expertise.

              5/13

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              #38

              @KatyElphinstone I don’t think I’ll ever get over the immense sadness from learning that actually giving a shit about a topic or a cause is considered pathological by the majority of humans.

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              • fabienmarry@mastodon.socialF fabienmarry@mastodon.social

                @KatyElphinstone I don’t think I’ll ever get over the immense sadness from learning that actually giving a shit about a topic or a cause is considered pathological by the majority of humans.

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                @fabienmarry

                😥

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                • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                  Deficit or difference 🧵

                  Autistic deficit no.6:
                  Not performing hierarchy and status games fluently.

                  In the “negative or nothing” model of autism, this is framed as social naivety, and not as a different relationship to power.

                  7/13

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                  @KatyElphinstone Also, I am personally able to perform those if I have to, (mostly). I understand the dynamics at play - I don't believe in them, though.

                  I have *never* experienced this as a negative.

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                  • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                    To sum up, many autistic ‘deficits’ may only be deficits in a material world that needs very high sensory tolerance & the constant filtering of a barrage of human-made information...

                    ... and in a social world that's built around implication, hierarchy, performance, and obedience.

                    13/13

                    Can anyone think of more things? Whatever your view, comments very welcome!

                    I’ve explored the “negative or nothing” theme more here: https://www.neurofabulous.org.uk/autism-negative-or-nothing.html

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                    #41

                    @KatyElphinstone As a corollary to the power AND the understanding thing - most autistic people I know are highly individual in their choices, e.g. media, clothes, etc. Their tastes are less susceptible to advertising manipulation. This is a deeply threatening trait for a capitalist system.

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                    • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                      To sum up, many autistic ‘deficits’ may only be deficits in a material world that needs very high sensory tolerance & the constant filtering of a barrage of human-made information...

                      ... and in a social world that's built around implication, hierarchy, performance, and obedience.

                      13/13

                      Can anyone think of more things? Whatever your view, comments very welcome!

                      I’ve explored the “negative or nothing” theme more here: https://www.neurofabulous.org.uk/autism-negative-or-nothing.html

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                      #42

                      @KatyElphinstone Thank you for the write-up! (And the linked article) I once took the TT-38 personality test and was assigned the Rightous Crusader trifecta talents - basically, high morality, high judgement and they were very confused when I took that as a compliment 😂.

                      It was supposed to teach me that I should loosen my standards 'to be agreeable' - nevermind that the runner-up talents were cooperation, supporting others and teamwork.

                      You helped me understand this bewildering experience!

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