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  • cassandravert@indieweb.socialC cassandravert@indieweb.social

    @KatyElphinstone Also, both my daughter and I will use the literal meaning of idioms to make jokes. (eg "two shakes of what?")

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    #29

    @CassandraVert

    Hehe I love this! 🦙

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    • cassandravert@indieweb.socialC cassandravert@indieweb.social

      @undefined_variable @KatyElphinstone I mean because we don't think like they do, they can't use all the same controls. That's inconvenient for them. Someone like Greta Thunberg is inconvenient.

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      @CassandraVert

      Super inconvenient. And then it looked so awful to shoot her down because she was a child.

      @undefined_variable

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      • eladhen@tooot.imE eladhen@tooot.im

        @KatyElphinstone
        the problem is, in current society, a "normal" person cannot be exempt from the harsh judgement of our lord and savior, the market. If you're Autistic you need to decide if you're on the exempt side (all bad) if you're on the not exempt side (aren't we all a bit...).

        That's why self diagnosis is so reviled. Trying to get exempt from the market without a doctor? What if everyone wanted to be exempt?!

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        #31

        @KatyElphinstone
        I feel like most of the time when people challenge my Autism they're saying "why should you be treated like humans and not like normal crap of the earth like the rest of us?"

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        • eladhen@tooot.imE eladhen@tooot.im

          @KatyElphinstone
          I feel like most of the time when people challenge my Autism they're saying "why should you be treated like humans and not like normal crap of the earth like the rest of us?"

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          #32

          @eladhen

          Which is a very good point. But instead of attacking the autistic person.... one could try attacking the system instead. 🤷‍♀️

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          • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

            @eladhen

            Which is a very good point. But instead of attacking the autistic person.... one could try attacking the system instead. 🤷‍♀️

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            #33

            @KatyElphinstone of course. But the system is invisible. You need a mental model of it to start seeing it, and our society did a lot to help us forget and naturalize the system.

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            • eladhen@tooot.imE eladhen@tooot.im

              @KatyElphinstone of course. But the system is invisible. You need a mental model of it to start seeing it, and our society did a lot to help us forget and naturalize the system.

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              #34

              @eladhen

              Yes.... it's very Wizard of Oz. Hidden, and assumed. Invisible in plain sight. And not a very reachable target. Much more satisfying to kick down & have your blow connect with something satisfyingly soft. 😬

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              • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                @eladhen

                Yes.... it's very Wizard of Oz. Hidden, and assumed. Invisible in plain sight. And not a very reachable target. Much more satisfying to kick down & have your blow connect with something satisfyingly soft. 😬

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                #35

                @KatyElphinstone
                my read is that "the autism epidemic" is actually the breakage of our "normal" with a normality that is drifting away from sustainability even on a personal basis. And autists are just the canaries in the coal mine.

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                • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                  Deficit or difference 🧵

                  Autistic deficit no.2:
                  Taking words seriously.

                  In the “negative or nothing” model of autism, this is framed as literal-mindedness, rather than respect for meaning.

                  3/13

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                  #36

                  @KatyElphinstone I had “I’m NOT stopping in the middle of the street! I’m stopping at 2/3 of the street!”…

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                  • fabienmarry@mastodon.socialF fabienmarry@mastodon.social

                    @KatyElphinstone I had “I’m NOT stopping in the middle of the street! I’m stopping at 2/3 of the street!”…

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                    @fabienmarry

                    😂

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                    • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                      Deficit or difference 🧵

                      Autistic deficit no.4:
                      Deep focus and commitment.

                      In the “negative or nothing” model of autism, this is framed as obsession, rather than depth, care, or expertise.

                      5/13

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                      #38

                      @KatyElphinstone I don’t think I’ll ever get over the immense sadness from learning that actually giving a shit about a topic or a cause is considered pathological by the majority of humans.

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                      • fabienmarry@mastodon.socialF fabienmarry@mastodon.social

                        @KatyElphinstone I don’t think I’ll ever get over the immense sadness from learning that actually giving a shit about a topic or a cause is considered pathological by the majority of humans.

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                        @fabienmarry

                        😥

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                        • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                          Deficit or difference 🧵

                          Autistic deficit no.6:
                          Not performing hierarchy and status games fluently.

                          In the “negative or nothing” model of autism, this is framed as social naivety, and not as a different relationship to power.

                          7/13

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                          @KatyElphinstone Also, I am personally able to perform those if I have to, (mostly). I understand the dynamics at play - I don't believe in them, though.

                          I have *never* experienced this as a negative.

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                          • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                            To sum up, many autistic ‘deficits’ may only be deficits in a material world that needs very high sensory tolerance & the constant filtering of a barrage of human-made information...

                            ... and in a social world that's built around implication, hierarchy, performance, and obedience.

                            13/13

                            Can anyone think of more things? Whatever your view, comments very welcome!

                            I’ve explored the “negative or nothing” theme more here: https://www.neurofabulous.org.uk/autism-negative-or-nothing.html

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                            @KatyElphinstone As a corollary to the power AND the understanding thing - most autistic people I know are highly individual in their choices, e.g. media, clothes, etc. Their tastes are less susceptible to advertising manipulation. This is a deeply threatening trait for a capitalist system.

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                            • katyelphinstone@mas.toK katyelphinstone@mas.to

                              To sum up, many autistic ‘deficits’ may only be deficits in a material world that needs very high sensory tolerance & the constant filtering of a barrage of human-made information...

                              ... and in a social world that's built around implication, hierarchy, performance, and obedience.

                              13/13

                              Can anyone think of more things? Whatever your view, comments very welcome!

                              I’ve explored the “negative or nothing” theme more here: https://www.neurofabulous.org.uk/autism-negative-or-nothing.html

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                              #42

                              @KatyElphinstone Thank you for the write-up! (And the linked article) I once took the TT-38 personality test and was assigned the Rightous Crusader trifecta talents - basically, high morality, high judgement and they were very confused when I took that as a compliment 😂.

                              It was supposed to teach me that I should loosen my standards 'to be agreeable' - nevermind that the runner-up talents were cooperation, supporting others and teamwork.

                              You helped me understand this bewildering experience!

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