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  3. Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

    Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

    The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

    A short 🧵>>

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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    #24

    @emilymbender If the approach to mking AI return good results is to put in a bunch of special cases, can we just go back to writing proper expert systems?

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    • johntinker@hear-me.socialJ johntinker@hear-me.social

      @emilymbender
      The con is to allow the user to imagine that the chatbot is AGI and not LLM. Once it is clear what the LLM is, then it is useful for finding normative language related to any number of topics, has been my experience. The AI market capitalization is criticized as a bubble. I think it is, too. I think that the misunderstanding regarding the chatbot will bite. I discussed this matter with DeepSeek: https://johntinker.substack.com/p/misunderstanding-as-a-commutator

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      #25

      @johntinker See pinned toot:

      https://dair-community.social/@emilymbender/109339391065534153

      Also, no, LLMs are not what you think they are, if you are "discussing" anything with them.

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      • iams@mastodon.socialI iams@mastodon.social

        @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Ah, yet when you use privacy features within DuckDuckGo, or numerous available browsers, disabling AI is (predictably) per session. It would seem the better way would be to have opt-out by default, with locally stored flag for enabling AI being useful for those that have... not bothered with privacy -- which is not their target audience? So, I am sorry but DuckDuckGo does not allow for disabling AI; it is a misleading claim.

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        #26

        @iams

        Looks to me like the settings are persistent by device.

        @emilymbender

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        • brian@veganism.socialB brian@veganism.social

          @evannakita @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I use Startpage at times! @StartpageSearch Also, cool profile amd background picture!

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          #27

          @Brian @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Thank you so much, both for the recommendation and for the compliment! I drew both of those and it means a lot to hear 🙂

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          • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

            @evannakita

            Sorry, no. I think DuckDuckGo is a decent option. They don't keep your search history and produce good search results.

            @emilymbender

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            #28

            @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender No worries, and agreed on it being a decent option! It's what I've been using for a couple years now. I've just been troubled by some recent stuff the company's been doing, so I wanna keep my options open.

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            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

              Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

              Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

              The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

              A short 🧵>>

              https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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              #29

              @emilymbender I just wanna say, I'm thrilled that rugbies are back. I always loved rugbies.

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              • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                @jplebreton @emilymbender

                The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                It's the best at:
                1. Election interference
                2. Malign influence campaigns
                3. Automated cyberwarfare
                4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                5. Automated hate campaigns
                6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                7. Frying the planet

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                #30

                @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender Once again I am thinking: I never expected the end of this era to be so *stupid*.

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                • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

                  @iams

                  Looks to me like the settings are persistent by device.

                  @emilymbender

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                  #31

                  @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I've got AI turning itself on every session across devices despite preferences. If you disallow history, tracking, storage, etc. it is a fresh instance evey use. Theae are are all options available in browser settings. So, if you allow for nothing else then it works as advertised. Which is my point. It's opposite what it ought to be, and isn't actually functional if you exercise the options available you. I hope that makes sense. I appreciate the dialogue.

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                  • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

                    @iams

                    Looks to me like the settings are persistent by device.

                    @emilymbender

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                    #32

                    @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Sorry, let me rephrase a little. If you clear data between use, or block trackers it doesn't work. Having a flag from the developers which could be passed to the browser as another catagory to toggle under various browser privacy settings, eg. cookies, tracking, local access, etc., would ensure intended function, set a functional precedent for browser developers and users, all while allowing for privacy.

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                      Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                      The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                      A short 🧵>>

                      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                      #33

                      @emilymbender Incredibly, I still hear scientists defending this damn technology. It's like, "I'm always on time for my morning classes thanks to my radium watch! Golly gee, the bus to the math conference runs so much smoother on leaded gasoline."

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                      • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                        @jplebreton @emilymbender

                        The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                        The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                        So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                        It's the best at:
                        1. Election interference
                        2. Malign influence campaigns
                        3. Automated cyberwarfare
                        4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                        5. Automated hate campaigns
                        6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                        7. Frying the planet

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                        #34

                        @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender so they pledge to give 1/320th of their net worth so that they can pretend even a 1% tax on their total net worth would not work better. Got it.

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                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                          I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                          /fin (for now)

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                          #35

                          @emilymbender

                          This is the bit that really gets my goat. As someone who focused quite a bit on epistemology and empiricism and science v pseudoscience in college + grad school it’s like watching a horror film where you know the mistake that everyone is making but they refuse to listen.

                          That’s really why I listen to the podcast - to know that I’m not alone.

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                          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                            Back to the current one, the quotes from Google in the Guardian piece are so disingenuous:

                            >>

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                            #36

                            @emilymbender Good News! We told our AI to audit the results of our AI and it told us it passed!

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                            • iams@mastodon.socialI iams@mastodon.social

                              @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I've got AI turning itself on every session across devices despite preferences. If you disallow history, tracking, storage, etc. it is a fresh instance evey use. Theae are are all options available in browser settings. So, if you allow for nothing else then it works as advertised. Which is my point. It's opposite what it ought to be, and isn't actually functional if you exercise the options available you. I hope that makes sense. I appreciate the dialogue.

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                              #37

                              @iams

                              Sounds like turning off storage would be the likely culprit. If you don't store the settings, they will have to revert to the default.

                              @emilymbender

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                              • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                                The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                                So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                It's the best at:
                                1. Election interference
                                2. Malign influence campaigns
                                3. Automated cyberwarfare
                                4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                                5. Automated hate campaigns
                                6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                                7. Frying the planet

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                                #38

                                @Npars01 Boy are they not even subtly advertising their running from the coming guillotines. Just cracks me up how little they think they need to spend to avoid their own collapse.

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                                • jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ jplebreton@mastodon.social

                                  @emilymbender we're living through a mass psychological engineering campaign and the results have been, and will continue to be, horrifying https://azhdarchid.com/are-llms-useful

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                                  #39

                                  @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                  That blog post was an interesting read, thanks for sharing.

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                                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                    Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                                    Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                                    The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                                    A short 🧵>>

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                                    #40

                                    @emilymbender The developers do not know what answer an AI will give to a specific prompt in advance. It's a black box of answers. Therefore there is no QA of the product. It is unpredictable and therefore dangerous. Need I continue?

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                                    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                                      @jplebreton @emilymbender

                                      The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                                      The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                                      So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                                      It's the best at:
                                      1. Election interference
                                      2. Malign influence campaigns
                                      3. Automated cyberwarfare
                                      4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                                      5. Automated hate campaigns
                                      6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                                      7. Frying the planet

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                                      #41

                                      @Npars01 ah yes, bill gates, the "good billionaire"

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                                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                        Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                                        Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                                        The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                                        A short 🧵>>

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                                        #42

                                        @emilymbender The theme to I DREAM OF JEANIE is now playing in your head!
                                        It's outa that bottle!

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                                          https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                                          /fin (for now)

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                                          #43

                                          @emilymbender Right now I’m finding that when I have a conversation with chatGPT about a topic it’s a much better and more accurate and useful experience than using Google or DuckDuckGo searches. It includes links to sources but it also has a useful wider context that informs where it looks (like whether I’m looking for UK or USA based info), and is persistent, so I can come back to the topic months later and continue.

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