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  3. Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

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  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

    Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

    Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

    The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

    A short 🧵>>

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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    #33

    @emilymbender Incredibly, I still hear scientists defending this damn technology. It's like, "I'm always on time for my morning classes thanks to my radium watch! Golly gee, the bus to the math conference runs so much smoother on leaded gasoline."

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    • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

      @jplebreton @emilymbender

      The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

      The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

      So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

      It's the best at:
      1. Election interference
      2. Malign influence campaigns
      3. Automated cyberwarfare
      4. Manipulation of public sentiment
      5. Automated hate campaigns
      6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
      7. Frying the planet

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      #34

      @Npars01 @jplebreton @emilymbender so they pledge to give 1/320th of their net worth so that they can pretend even a 1% tax on their total net worth would not work better. Got it.

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

        /fin (for now)

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        #35

        @emilymbender

        This is the bit that really gets my goat. As someone who focused quite a bit on epistemology and empiricism and science v pseudoscience in college + grad school it’s like watching a horror film where you know the mistake that everyone is making but they refuse to listen.

        That’s really why I listen to the podcast - to know that I’m not alone.

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        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

          Back to the current one, the quotes from Google in the Guardian piece are so disingenuous:

          >>

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          #36

          @emilymbender Good News! We told our AI to audit the results of our AI and it told us it passed!

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          • iams@mastodon.socialI iams@mastodon.social

            @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I've got AI turning itself on every session across devices despite preferences. If you disallow history, tracking, storage, etc. it is a fresh instance evey use. Theae are are all options available in browser settings. So, if you allow for nothing else then it works as advertised. Which is my point. It's opposite what it ought to be, and isn't actually functional if you exercise the options available you. I hope that makes sense. I appreciate the dialogue.

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            #37

            @iams

            Sounds like turning off storage would be the likely culprit. If you don't store the settings, they will have to revert to the default.

            @emilymbender

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            • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

              @jplebreton @emilymbender

              The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

              The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

              So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

              https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

              It's the best at:
              1. Election interference
              2. Malign influence campaigns
              3. Automated cyberwarfare
              4. Manipulation of public sentiment
              5. Automated hate campaigns
              6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
              7. Frying the planet

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              #38

              @Npars01 Boy are they not even subtly advertising their running from the coming guillotines. Just cracks me up how little they think they need to spend to avoid their own collapse.

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              • jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ jplebreton@mastodon.social

                @emilymbender we're living through a mass psychological engineering campaign and the results have been, and will continue to be, horrifying https://azhdarchid.com/are-llms-useful

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                #39

                @jplebreton @emilymbender

                That blog post was an interesting read, thanks for sharing.

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                  Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                  The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                  A short 🧵>>

                  https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                  #40

                  @emilymbender The developers do not know what answer an AI will give to a specific prompt in advance. It's a black box of answers. Therefore there is no QA of the product. It is unpredictable and therefore dangerous. Need I continue?

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                  • npars01@mstdn.socialN npars01@mstdn.social

                    @jplebreton @emilymbender

                    The question is also "LLM'S are useful to whom?"

                    The wealthiest seem overjoyed with it so far.

                    So much so, they are funding one of the largest coercive & forced user adoption campaign in history.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2025/07/17/bill-gates-charles-koch-and-three-other-billionaires-are-giving-1-billion-to-enhance-economic-mobility-in-the-us/

                    It's the best at:
                    1. Election interference
                    2. Malign influence campaigns
                    3. Automated cyberwarfare
                    4. Manipulation of public sentiment
                    5. Automated hate campaigns
                    6. Plausible deniability for funding a fascist movement
                    7. Frying the planet

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                    #41

                    @Npars01 ah yes, bill gates, the "good billionaire"

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                      Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                      The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                      A short 🧵>>

                      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                      #42

                      @emilymbender The theme to I DREAM OF JEANIE is now playing in your head!
                      It's outa that bottle!

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                      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                        I've been shouting about this since Google first floated the idea of LLMs as a replacement for search in 2021. Synthetic text is not a suitable tool for information access!

                        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/information-literacy-and-chatbots-as-search/

                        /fin (for now)

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                        #43

                        @emilymbender Right now I’m finding that when I have a conversation with chatGPT about a topic it’s a much better and more accurate and useful experience than using Google or DuckDuckGo searches. It includes links to sources but it also has a useful wider context that informs where it looks (like whether I’m looking for UK or USA based info), and is persistent, so I can come back to the topic months later and continue.

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                        • coracinho@sunbeam.cityC coracinho@sunbeam.city

                          @Npars01 ah yes, bill gates, the "good billionaire"

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                          #44

                          @coracinho

                          Lol. Are there good billionaires?

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                          • adrianco@mastodon.socialA adrianco@mastodon.social

                            @emilymbender Right now I’m finding that when I have a conversation with chatGPT about a topic it’s a much better and more accurate and useful experience than using Google or DuckDuckGo searches. It includes links to sources but it also has a useful wider context that informs where it looks (like whether I’m looking for UK or USA based info), and is persistent, so I can come back to the topic months later and continue.

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                            #45

                            @adrianco @emilymbender that’s because the an LLM model is now more effective than the broken Google Search algorithm is at surfacing the better results out of all the Gen AI slop the web is now drowning in.
                            I don’t have conversations because there isn’t anything to converse with, but i just type what I would have done into Google back when it was useful. I find it supremely ironic that this is my main use case for LLM.

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                            • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                              Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                              Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                              The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                              A short 🧵>>

                              https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                              #46

                              @emilymbender It's fine they have n-dimensional guardrails 🤡

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                              • joeinwynnewood@mstdn.socialJ joeinwynnewood@mstdn.social

                                @iams

                                Sounds like turning off storage would be the likely culprit. If you don't store the settings, they will have to revert to the default.

                                @emilymbender

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                                #47

                                @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Correct, which is why I think that the default position is that DDG doesn't actually provide an opt-out, despite having a toggle switch which says otherwise. If my anonymity or preference is enforced only after presenting an ID and pulling a personal file that 'aint an opt-out. Chart the decision-tree out and the opt-out works for one specific path, coincidentally the path of idgaf and rawdog the internet. But, yeah, they have a toggle.

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                                  @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender Correct, which is why I think that the default position is that DDG doesn't actually provide an opt-out, despite having a toggle switch which says otherwise. If my anonymity or preference is enforced only after presenting an ID and pulling a personal file that 'aint an opt-out. Chart the decision-tree out and the opt-out works for one specific path, coincidentally the path of idgaf and rawdog the internet. But, yeah, they have a toggle.

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                                  #48

                                  @joeinwynnewood @emilymbender I'm sorry. That was uncalled for. I am tired. I am a cog in a machine that keeps people alive, and though only a cog I share the same planet and have a personal life, like you, and like the developersnof DDG -- look, that sloppiness wouldn't stand in my workplace. Things have to do, or do not, and withstand and adapt. The annoyance is supreme, personally. So I get frustrated and shout at strangers. Context, I guess. Anyhow, apologies and good day/night.

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                                  • jplebreton@mastodon.socialJ jplebreton@mastodon.social

                                    @Npars01 @emilymbender yeah, it's clearly one of those technologies that accelerates just about everything patriarchal white supremacist capitalism does in various ways, and provides a greater means of plausible deniability to the people behind that than previous systems. it enables the monsters running the world to Capitalism Harder, at the exact moment when we need to be doing the opposite and take better care of one another and our planet. so in that sense it's definitely working as designed.

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                                    #49

                                    @jplebreton @Npars01 @emilymbender or not designed, as this shit was ripped from labs before it was ready, because moneydudes got the fomo. the devil finds work in underengineered solutions.

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                                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                      Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                                      Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                                      The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                                      A short 🧵>>

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                                      #50

                                      @emilymbender I play a game now and then with the latest and greatest LLMs to see how easy it is to get them to make me a recipe which includes something grossly poisonous. They still fail badly.

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                                      • adrianco@mastodon.socialA adrianco@mastodon.social

                                        @emilymbender Right now I’m finding that when I have a conversation with chatGPT about a topic it’s a much better and more accurate and useful experience than using Google or DuckDuckGo searches. It includes links to sources but it also has a useful wider context that informs where it looks (like whether I’m looking for UK or USA based info), and is persistent, so I can come back to the topic months later and continue.

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                                        #51

                                        @emilymbender For example, here’s a conversation about what species of bat I’m looking at. It’s a much better experience than web search. Regardless of how accurate it is, the experience is going to drive usage. However it asked good clarifying questions and the answers are correct as far as I can tell. https://chatgpt.com/share/6964daa3-4a64-8009-86e9-4a1b804998a7

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                                        • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                                          Health experts: Your synthetic text "AI" overviews are misleading, for example see this about liver function tests.

                                          Google: Okay, we'll block "AI" overviews on that query.

                                          The product is fundamentally flawed and cannot be "fixed" by patching query by query.

                                          A short 🧵>>

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2026/jan/11/google-ai-overviews-health-guardian-investigation

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                                          #52

                                          @emilymbender That Guardian headline is itself misleading; it should say something like, "Google's false and inaccurate AI overviews continue to put users' health at risk."

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