The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
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Bios secure boot normally turned on by default.
Linux needs keys signed by Microsoft to boot.
So Microsoft can deny use of Linux distros if not compliant.
"When Secure Boot is enabled on a system, any attempt to execute an untrusted program will not be allowed. This stops unexpected / unauthorised code from running in the UEFI environment.
Most x86 hardware comes from the factory pre-loaded with Microsoft keys. This means the firmware on these systems will trust binaries that are signed by Microsoft. Most modern systems will ship with Secure Boot enabled - they will not run any unsigned code by default. Starting with Debian version 10 ("Buster"), Debian supports UEFI Secure Boot by employing a small UEFI loader called shim which is signed by Microsoft and embeds Debian's signing keys. This allows Debian to sign its own binaries without requiring further signatures from Microsoft"
@SuperMoosie @neil sooooo....is this a problem if you just turn secure boot off? I have done so every time i installed new OS anyway.
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@SuperMoosie @neil sooooo....is this a problem if you just turn secure boot off? I have done so every time i installed new OS anyway.
@Kantikainen @SuperMoosie Yes, and that is fine *while that remains an option*.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
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@SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil this stranglehold MS has over home computers including Linux has never fully dawned on me before. I can't imagine China accepting that, do they have knock off x86 chips without the "secure bios"
@SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil
To answer my own question, China doesn't trust MS secure bios:
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
@neil It is a war on general computation. Cory Doctorow observed that about 15 years ago.
Skews the balance of power even more towards platforms.
Computation is power!
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil what’s next?
Verify age before using dishwasher, washing machine, robo-vacuum , robo-lawn mower and other household appliances that have computers in them? -
The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil Annoys me.
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The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.
@neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be preparing for 2 devices. One “freedom device” and one “slavery device” mandated by the state. Hopefully we won’t arrive to a situation where our houses are stormed in search of “freedom devices“.
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Bios secure boot normally turned on by default.
Linux needs keys signed by Microsoft to boot.
So Microsoft can deny use of Linux distros if not compliant.
"When Secure Boot is enabled on a system, any attempt to execute an untrusted program will not be allowed. This stops unexpected / unauthorised code from running in the UEFI environment.
Most x86 hardware comes from the factory pre-loaded with Microsoft keys. This means the firmware on these systems will trust binaries that are signed by Microsoft. Most modern systems will ship with Secure Boot enabled - they will not run any unsigned code by default. Starting with Debian version 10 ("Buster"), Debian supports UEFI Secure Boot by employing a small UEFI loader called shim which is signed by Microsoft and embeds Debian's signing keys. This allows Debian to sign its own binaries without requiring further signatures from Microsoft"
@SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil I want Microsoft to explicitly bleed and DIE in a bloody Antitrust case.
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@neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be preparing for 2 devices. One “freedom device” and one “slavery device” mandated by the state. Hopefully we won’t arrive to a situation where our houses are stormed in search of “freedom devices“.
@neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be downloading some installation media with the fullest set of binaries and source code possible. Debian, Slackware and FreeBSD come easily into mind and there are probably others. Also git clone locally everything important to you.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil it's not really supposed to make sense, its just supposed to control you more
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@neil "You should own nothing, and be happy***"
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@neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil What happens if someone installes Userland Linux or some virtual machine? That would bypass age verification on the OS, unless they prevent anyone under 18 using VMs or Userland Linux.
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@lordsplodge @hedders @neil Cory Doctorow (yeah, I know…) kind of touched on this in Little Brother. All the kids had these totally locked-down games consoles that were given away free as loss-leaders for the online game companies. But they were powerful bits of kit, and the hacker kids just jailbroke them to run their own software.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil It doesn't put enough money in venture capitalists' pockes, so it must change.
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The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.
@neil I got my first computer when I was 10. My mother still burns every piece of mail with her address on it because "the Iranians proved you can't trust shredders". There's no way on earth I'd have a career in IT if she'd had to enter her personal details before I could play Horace Goes Skiing
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theres no option to log in without password on windows these days?
@ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil In Windows 10 it was still possible to set up a local account. On Windows 11 you can, but you might need to create one with a Microsoft Account first -- not 100% sure. But it is worth looking into whether you can. I *think* you can. The option is just not presented to you in a straightforward way in the setup dialogues.
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Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.
Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.
* No age or ID verification
* No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run
* No third party accounts
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Y’know @neil one of these days you’re going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist, relatively speaking.
Same here. My opinions remain fairly constant, but the Overton Window almost keeps rushing past.
