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  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

    The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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    #55

    @neil

    Yes, that's me.

    Born in 1827, Civil War veteran, see my photos on Facebook.

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    • tenpasttwo@mas.toT tenpasttwo@mas.to

      @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil this stranglehold MS has over home computers including Linux has never fully dawned on me before. I can't imagine China accepting that, do they have knock off x86 chips without the "secure bios"

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      #56

      @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil

      To answer my own question, China doesn't trust MS secure bios:

      https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/cpus/chinese-government-shifts-focus-from-x86-and-arm-cpus-promoting-the-adoption-of-risc-v-chips

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      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

        Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

        Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

        * No age or ID verification

        * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

        * No third party accounts

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        #57

        @neil It is a war on general computation. Cory Doctorow observed that about 15 years ago.

        Skews the balance of power even more towards platforms.

        Computation is power!

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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          #58

          @neil what’s next?
          Verify age before using dishwasher, washing machine, robo-vacuum , robo-lawn mower and other household appliances that have computers in them?

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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            #59

            @neil Annoys me.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              @thinkb4u @Em0nM4stodon

              The fact that it is happening is what is baffling me.

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              #60

              @neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be preparing for 2 devices. One “freedom device” and one “slavery device” mandated by the state. Hopefully we won’t arrive to a situation where our houses are stormed in search of “freedom devices“.

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              • supermoosie@mastodon.auS supermoosie@mastodon.au

                @Kantikainen @neil

                Bios secure boot normally turned on by default.

                Linux needs keys signed by Microsoft to boot.

                So Microsoft can deny use of Linux distros if not compliant.

                "When Secure Boot is enabled on a system, any attempt to execute an untrusted program will not be allowed. This stops unexpected / unauthorised code from running in the UEFI environment.

                Most x86 hardware comes from the factory pre-loaded with Microsoft keys. This means the firmware on these systems will trust binaries that are signed by Microsoft. Most modern systems will ship with Secure Boot enabled - they will not run any unsigned code by default. Starting with Debian version 10 ("Buster"), Debian supports UEFI Secure Boot by employing a small UEFI loader called shim which is signed by Microsoft and embeds Debian's signing keys. This allows Debian to sign its own binaries without requiring further signatures from Microsoft"

                https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot

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                #61

                @SuperMoosie @Kantikainen @neil I want Microsoft to explicitly bleed and DIE in a bloody Antitrust case.

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                • thinkb4u@ieji.deT thinkb4u@ieji.de

                  @neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be preparing for 2 devices. One “freedom device” and one “slavery device” mandated by the state. Hopefully we won’t arrive to a situation where our houses are stormed in search of “freedom devices“.

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                  #62

                  @neil @Em0nM4stodon Everybody should be downloading some installation media with the fullest set of binaries and source code possible. Debian, Slackware and FreeBSD come easily into mind and there are probably others. Also git clone locally everything important to you.

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                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                    The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                    #63

                    @neil it's not really supposed to make sense, its just supposed to control you more

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                    • aanee@mastodon.onlineA aanee@mastodon.online

                      @neil "You should own nothing, and be happy***"

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                      #64

                      @aanee @neil You rent everything, are not trusted and you need to through away stuff, and you ars not happy.

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                      • hedders@mas.toH hedders@mas.to

                        @neil I do worry that we're seeing the beginning of the end of personal computing, in the sense of being able to own a machine that you control and that does your bidding.

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                        #65

                        @hedders @neil You’ll have a dumb terminal that you pay a subscription for. All this terminal does is connect you to approved services from Google/Amazon/Microsoft. That subscription will go up in price as actual computers die out. The service will get worse over time.

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                        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                          The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                          #66

                          @neil What happens if someone installes Userland Linux or some virtual machine? That would bypass age verification on the OS, unless they prevent anyone under 18 using VMs or Userland Linux.

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                          • lordsplodge@brettspiel.spaceL lordsplodge@brettspiel.space

                            @hedders @neil You’ll have a dumb terminal that you pay a subscription for. All this terminal does is connect you to approved services from Google/Amazon/Microsoft. That subscription will go up in price as actual computers die out. The service will get worse over time.

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                            #67

                            @lordsplodge @hedders @neil Cory Doctorow (yeah, I know…) kind of touched on this in Little Brother. All the kids had these totally locked-down games consoles that were given away free as loss-leaders for the online game companies. But they were powerful bits of kit, and the hacker kids just jailbroke them to run their own software.

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                            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                              The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                              #68

                              @neil It doesn't put enough money in venture capitalists' pockes, so it must change.

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                              • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                #69

                                @neil I got my first computer when I was 10. My mother still burns every piece of mail with her address on it because "the Iranians proved you can't trust shredders". There's no way on earth I'd have a career in IT if she'd had to enter her personal details before I could play Horace Goes Skiing

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                                • itseperkele@expressional.socialI itseperkele@expressional.social

                                  @janeishly @neil

                                  theres no option to log in without password on windows these days?

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                                  @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil In Windows 10 it was still possible to set up a local account. On Windows 11 you can, but you might need to create one with a Microsoft Account first -- not 100% sure. But it is worth looking into whether you can. I *think* you can. The option is just not presented to you in a straightforward way in the setup dialogues.

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                                  • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                    Perhaps I am some kind of dangerous computer radical these days, thinking that one should be able to buy or make a computer, install one's choice of OSs and software, create a local user account, and get on with one's affairs, privately and without interference.

                                    Quiet enjoyment of one's computer.

                                    * No age or ID verification

                                    * No jumping through hoops to install software, or third parties restricting the software that one can run

                                    * No third party accounts

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                                    #71

                                    @neil I just fell down the rabbit hole of #HomeLab. Actually no, I jumped in feet first and in a less than a week am having more fun with tech than since the 70's-80's.

                                    We can do this!

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                                    • slothrop@chaos.socialS slothrop@chaos.social

                                      Y’know @neil one of these days you’re going to wake up and find you’ve become a revolutionary anarchist, relatively speaking.

                                      Same here. My opinions remain fairly constant, but the Overton Window almost keeps rushing past.

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                                      #72

                                      @slothrop @neil Exactly

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                                      • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                                        The idea that one should be forced to verify one's age or identity to use one's own computer absolutely baffles me.

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                                        #73

                                        @neil It's absolutely bonkers. Looking forward to a swath of forked Linux distros that just don't let you install them if you say you're in California.

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                                        • tokyo_0@mas.toT tokyo_0@mas.to

                                          @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil In Windows 10 it was still possible to set up a local account. On Windows 11 you can, but you might need to create one with a Microsoft Account first -- not 100% sure. But it is worth looking into whether you can. I *think* you can. The option is just not presented to you in a straightforward way in the setup dialogues.

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                                          #74

                                          @tokyo_0 @ItsePerkele @janeishly @neil at least with windows 11 pro, you can tell it you intend to join a domain and it will let you pass. Unless you get an enterprise license though, it will nag you to log in with a Microsoft account when logged in as a local user. You can get an enterprise licence for 15 quid or so if you look.

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