Are social networks unhealthy for minors?

[brooke@bikeshed.vibber.net]

@evan some social networks are sometimes unhealthy for many people, including but not limited to minors ("no, but...")

[mattg@recurse.social]

@evan do another one but leave out the "for minors" part

[falcennial@mastodon.social]

@evan ah. I now see where the support for the privacy invasion legislation is coming from.

the idea that children should sit silent, isolated, and inert, until their 18th birthday whereupon they magically gain all the skills needed to live well is what's unhealthy for children.

just let them live their lives with unconditional agency, love, and support. I guarantee you it is better. sometimes they might go online! you are just going to have to find a way to deal with that, team.

[ursaashbear@mas.to]

@evan

Conceptually, no. An online social space isnt automatically anything but social

But as created and run currently, by people and corporate entities who design social networks to maximize engagement by outrage and do not design for healthy use?

That's bad for basically everyone, especially kids who are still learning to navigate their physical social spaces.

[drdrowland@fediscience.org]

@evan

children need active and effective supervision and some on social networks have it but some don't. social networks are dangerous for children who don't have that supervision. it's the same with irl social networks.

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@mattg https://evanp.me/pollfaq#requests

[hellomiakoda@pdx.social]

@evan
Twitter and Facebook - Yes, absolutely.
Mastodon and the rest of Fedi... no, but parental discretion is advised!

[starkrg@myside-yourside.net]

@evan I think it depends on how they're used, and I think it's mostly the commercial social networks that are unhealthy, and not just for minors. Having your opinions and knowledge of current events shaped by a corporate entity is unquestionably bad. I don't think minors are significantly more susceptible to that external manipulation than adults are.

[metacosm@mastodon.social]

@evan @n1k0 for that matter, they’re also unhealthy for adults… said he, while posting on the very thing he described as unhealthy.

[yvg@indieweb.social]

@evan I never felt like SoundCloud was unhealthy, or IRC back in my days. But yes the so called social media that is just algorithmic based spitting out horseshit of content and bullshit ads absolutely are.

[n1k0@mamot.fr]

@metacosm @evan the more I think about it, the more I find social networks are like alcohol

highly addictive, makes you dependent
bad for your mental health
makes you see you things and turn you violent
makes you DUI, crash a car and kill people
rehab exists
…so children should never use it

mastodon is probably the lightest beer of social networks, but still very dangerous and we should all be very careful indeed

[kleisli@mastodon.social]

@renata I agree 100% and this does not exclude the fediverse.
For me it is very ambivalent. I enjoy it being able to discuss with people like you or @evan - this only happens with social media (including forums or mailing lists). But at the same time there is that FOMO and the feeling that I need to perform and post smart answers.

[sweet_as_candi@void.lgbt]

@evan yes, but they can also be one of the only safe spaces/resourses for certain marginalized youths (broken homes, lgbtq kids, disabled kids, etc) and i honestly think preventing this abuse is worth the risks.

[kleisli@mastodon.social]

@renata Thinking about it, the last platform that was a place to be connected to friends for me was the early facebook. Twitter, Instagram and now the Fediverse were always more information, public discussion and entertainment platforms. @evan

[monnier@oldbytes.space]

@dermoth @evan I agree except for the extraneous last two words. Should we rename GAFAM to SC (surveillance capitalism)?

[resl@mas.to]

@evan Wow, there are people who reply no to this! Fascinating... I'll chalk that up to people conflating "social network" with "social media" I guess...

[evan@cosocial.ca]

@resl what's the difference?

[resl@mas.to]

@malte @evan I think you conflate social network with commercial web platforms. The profit motive has a way of encouraging child abuse and exploitation. But the corpos don't get to define social networks. They try but don't let them.

[bkuhn@fedi.copyleft.org]

(1/2) @evan I've always opposed sanitizing the world for kids.
They *will* get online & find stuff. I did (just w/BBS's!).

I *am* sure so-called “social media” *is* toxic for kids. Heck:it's toxic for most adults.
But age verification laws'll put 16 yr olds into business of making fake ids for 10 yr olds.
My mother read Tipper Gore's book & Destroyed all my #punk tapes.
Lars brought me his to school to listen to free.
& the censorship made me an activist for life. So, maybe upsides?
#EvanPoll

[resl@mas.to]

@spraoi @evan I hope you don't have kids. How could you possibly protect them from... almost everything?