OH from my partner in the other room, who is not in IT: Teams is not a document repository!
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@cR0w yo dawg i heard you hate sharepoint so everything is sharepoint now motherfucker
"What if we took the worst parts of SharePoint (all of it) and Skype For Business (all of it) and smashed it together with a UI that only kind of makes sense on a tablet, but everyone will use it with a mouse?"
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I firmly believe the only good design decision in MS Teams is that the menu says "Quit Teams" and not "Exit" as Microsoft has traditionally used.
It may be wishful thinking, but I hope that someone spent significant social capital to argue for that choice, knowing it would be the only positive association with the software for many users.
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OH from my partner in the other room, who is not in IT: Teams is not a document repository!
It's not just nerds fighting that shit.
@cR0w “No, you can’t just put that on SharePoint, it has to be SharePoint SOR”
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OH from my partner in the other room, who is not in IT: Teams is not a document repository!
It's not just nerds fighting that shit.
Just another day in the office: opening a spreadsheet in Excel…no, it’s a fscking Sharepoint-flavored spreadsheet that opens in a web browser … no, shit, it’s in Teams, so of *course* it not only opens in Teams, it steals the window context so completely I can’t go back to the chat group I was just in and need to get context from.
Good thing I’m avoiding gen-“AI” at work. There’s probably a Microsoft Document Copilot by now that’ll swipe context for any Excel file and force Microsoft Copilot for Excel to open it and invite me to have a “conversation” with my spreadsheets.
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@novet Copilot is that you?
@cR0w You're right. And, honestly? I shouldn't have misled you. It's not about SharePoint, it's about trust --- and I violated yours.
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OH from my partner in the other room, who is not in IT: Teams is not a document repository!
It's not just nerds fighting that shit.
@cR0w Definitely not a document repository. Clearly another MS developed piece of software torture. So, so glad I no longer am forced to use it or it's equally evil brother, SharePoint. Unfortunately, I cannot escape the doom of Zoom
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@cR0w “No, you can’t just put that on SharePoint, it has to be SharePoint SOR”
@Lando oh no
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Just another day in the office: opening a spreadsheet in Excel…no, it’s a fscking Sharepoint-flavored spreadsheet that opens in a web browser … no, shit, it’s in Teams, so of *course* it not only opens in Teams, it steals the window context so completely I can’t go back to the chat group I was just in and need to get context from.
Good thing I’m avoiding gen-“AI” at work. There’s probably a Microsoft Document Copilot by now that’ll swipe context for any Excel file and force Microsoft Copilot for Excel to open it and invite me to have a “conversation” with my spreadsheets.
@dpnash The worst was seeing it in Notepad. WTF?
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@cR0w You're right. And, honestly? I shouldn't have misled you. It's not about SharePoint, it's about trust --- and I violated yours.
@novet nailed it
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@Lando oh no
@cR0w (this is a real one btw)
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@cR0w (this is a real one btw)
@Lando I believe you because it's so familiar.
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@novet nailed it
@cR0w why people pay big GenAI companies for this is crazy. i'd spurt bullshit all day for free!!
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@cR0w why people pay big GenAI companies for this is crazy. i'd spurt bullshit all day for free!!
@novet I understand, but they would have to pay me a lot of money to spew bullshit AND constant pandering and compliments all day.
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@novet I understand, but they would have to pay me a lot of money to spew bullshit AND constant pandering and compliments all day.
@cR0w oh true, should definitely paywall the incessant compliments. maybe give them a teaser to get them hooked to how smart they are first.
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@cR0w oh true, should definitely paywall the incessant compliments. maybe give them a teaser to get them hooked to how smart they are first.
@novet Like a 900 number.
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OH from my partner in the other room, who is not in IT: Teams is not a document repository!
It's not just nerds fighting that shit.
@cR0w well, no. documents you post to teams are stored in sharepoint.
which is one. but it's shit.
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@cR0w There is Nextcloud, but it's Affero GPL and some people can't handle it.
AGPL is an issue for corporate use, because it limits in-house customisation. I share a document on NextCloud with a partner? Now they’re a user and entitled to the NextCloud code under the terms of the AGPL. That’s fine if I have a completely unmodified instance, but if I have any in-house extensions I also have to share those. Meanwhile, if I have SharePoint plugins, or plugins to something proprietary like Cognidocs, I don’t. So using NextCloud either exposes a company to more legal liability or prevents them from doing things that their existing proprietary things enable.
People keep adopting AGPL to keep corporations out and then complain that business users don’t want to use their favourite software.
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AGPL is an issue for corporate use, because it limits in-house customisation. I share a document on NextCloud with a partner? Now they’re a user and entitled to the NextCloud code under the terms of the AGPL. That’s fine if I have a completely unmodified instance, but if I have any in-house extensions I also have to share those. Meanwhile, if I have SharePoint plugins, or plugins to something proprietary like Cognidocs, I don’t. So using NextCloud either exposes a company to more legal liability or prevents them from doing things that their existing proprietary things enable.
People keep adopting AGPL to keep corporations out and then complain that business users don’t want to use their favourite software.
@david_chisnall @cR0w Is Bruce Perens' PostOpen.org an answer, though? My issue with Perens' proposal is the "trust me bro" factor.
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@david_chisnall @cR0w Is Bruce Perens' PostOpen.org an answer, though? My issue with Perens' proposal is the "trust me bro" factor.
I don’t think anything Perens has said for at least 20 years has been relevant to any real problems for the F/OSS ecosystem.
