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  3. I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.

I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly.

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  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

    Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/

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    #115

    @hacks4pancakes it's wonderful. i'm enjoying reading with my popcorn.

    you know this fragile man boy CEO will be reading this and seething over it on the weekend. him and his chatbot are going to have a good conversation about it.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

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    • tkissing@mastodon.socialT tkissing@mastodon.social

      @cgsines @hacks4pancakes The email part isn't even the worst for me. I finally managed to get the family to use a password manager, we each have our own vault, there is one for the wife and me for shared stuff and there is another one for all of us that has everything we also need on the kids' device.
      I personally don't mind KeePass but for sharing with non-technical people it's a pain.

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      #116

      @tkissing looks like we're in the same boat. Family Email is elsewhere (https://mailbox.org), but KeepassXC caused too much friction (sync conflicts, UX issues).

      Proton Pass just worked. The thought of having to move everything *again* is painful, but I'm not willing to support this company anymore. It's a shame.

      I'm not sure what alternatives actually still exist that provide the same level of functionality, ease of use and which have not fallen into the slop trap.

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      • M mweiss@infosec.exchange

        @aphantastic @hacks4pancakes I've witnessed that sort of behavior from CEOs before, firsthand. You can feel the toxins in the air when you walk around the offices. And they surround themselves with enablers, each of whom has their own particular brand of toxic behavior.

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        #117

        @mweiss @aphantastic @hacks4pancakes ... so cutting just the head off the snake is not enough, a palace revolution is needed.

        Very likely so, also from my experiences.

        It should be feasible to locate some with integrity and lose the rest - just ask the folks on the ground who they would trust 🙏

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        • jb@masto.hackers.townJ jb@masto.hackers.town

          @hacks4pancakes I missed something.

          What happened?

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          #118

          @jb my understanding is that their engineering folks have been told that they are no longer engineers, instead they are now AI babysitters

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          • continuity0@mastodon.socialC continuity0@mastodon.social

            @hacks4pancakes Wholeheartedly agree, they built a fantastic service to be then forced to compromise their own hard labor in service to someone clearly suffering from moderate/severe AI psychosis

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            ngrbdx@mastodon.social
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            #119

            @continuity0 @hacks4pancakes he also supported Trump at the last election... No surprise at all.

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            • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

              If you use and particularly, pay for anything they make, you need to read this. It’s one of the worst I’ve seen even in the 20s. 😳🫠

              I don’t think they’re recovering without the board removing executive leadership. https://www.404media.co/manifestos-fear-and-loser-thinking-inside-protons-ai-reckoning/

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              #120

              @hacks4pancakes Yep, I read it. He needs to be removed and is practically going on like a petulant child

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              • lenzgr@mastodon.socialL lenzgr@mastodon.social

                @tkissing looks like we're in the same boat. Family Email is elsewhere (https://mailbox.org), but KeepassXC caused too much friction (sync conflicts, UX issues).

                Proton Pass just worked. The thought of having to move everything *again* is painful, but I'm not willing to support this company anymore. It's a shame.

                I'm not sure what alternatives actually still exist that provide the same level of functionality, ease of use and which have not fallen into the slop trap.

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                #121

                @tkissing Bitwarden used to be a strong contender, but they too are moving into a direction that concerns me.

                https://www.fastcompany.com/91542655/bitwarden-scrubs-always-free-and-inclusion-values-from-its-website-as-longtime-execs-step-down

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                • mkoek@mastodon.nlM mkoek@mastodon.nl

                  @hacks4pancakes who owns the company, do you know? Looks like they need to replace the board in a hurry to save it.

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                  #122

                  @mkoek

                  https://proton.me/foundation

                  "As Proton’s primary shareholder, the foundation exercises its control to ensure that Proton does not deviate from our mission to build a better internet that serves the interests of all of society."

                  In theory, i think the non-profit is in charge. I urge everyone to at least try a letter writing campaign to the Board of Trustees before just blowing everything up.

                  We have so few decent options on the internet. I dont like the idea of abandoning ship at every sign of trouble. There are some levers we can pull as a community to salvage what we can.

                  mailto:foundation@proton.me

                  @hacks4pancakes

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                  • trianderror@kanoa.deT trianderror@kanoa.de

                    @newstik @mrclark @hacks4pancakes
                    Until https://mastodon.social/@fullywoolly/117528173352385823

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                    #123

                    @trianderror @mrclark @hacks4pancakes Wow. To describe Gmail as feature rich worries me. Gmail doesn't even support folders.

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                    • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                      Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/

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                      #124

                      @hacks4pancakes shreddit.com

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                      • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

                        @hacks4pancakes Not to toot *giggle* my own horn, but when I decided to de-Google two years ago, I did in fact consider the then-known, ahem, attitudes of the Proton CEO to be red flags & that's why I decided not to go with Proton, by far the most obvious option at the time.

                        When people tell us who they are, we should believe them & when a company is run by a person with questionable positions and/or ethics, we should assume that this is what the company stands for. Because it always is.

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                        #125

                        @jwcph @hacks4pancakes Well OK but if you've been on it for years - since early days?

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                        • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                          @hacks4pancakes And nothing out there seems to fulfill all our criteria. Tuta appears to be a popular choice, but isn't without problems. I think that's another reason I hadn't already moved - when I last looked around, I wasn't happier about anything else.

                          I've done self-hosting before, but it's a lot of work and I'm not on top of things enough to keep it patched against current threats. Also, cloud IPs frequently get blocked but I wouldn't want it on my home network.

                          Sigh...

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                          #126

                          @hacks4pancakes A starting point, not an endorsement, but this appears to be a reasonable summary of commonly-mentioned options: https://m.ai6yr.org/@ai6yr/117264309648787445

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                          • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                            Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/

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                            #127

                            @hacks4pancakes Shreddit!

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                            • jwcph@helvede.netJ jwcph@helvede.net

                              @hacks4pancakes Not to toot *giggle* my own horn, but when I decided to de-Google two years ago, I did in fact consider the then-known, ahem, attitudes of the Proton CEO to be red flags & that's why I decided not to go with Proton, by far the most obvious option at the time.

                              When people tell us who they are, we should believe them & when a company is run by a person with questionable positions and/or ethics, we should assume that this is what the company stands for. Because it always is.

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                              #128

                              @jwcph

                              Where did you go from Google?

                              @hacks4pancakes

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                              • G gerardthornley@hachyderm.io

                                @hacks4pancakes And nothing out there seems to fulfill all our criteria. Tuta appears to be a popular choice, but isn't without problems. I think that's another reason I hadn't already moved - when I last looked around, I wasn't happier about anything else.

                                I've done self-hosting before, but it's a lot of work and I'm not on top of things enough to keep it patched against current threats. Also, cloud IPs frequently get blocked but I wouldn't want it on my home network.

                                Sigh...

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                                #129

                                @GerardThornley @hacks4pancakes Check out small web hosting providers in Europe. They tend to care a lot more than the all the big names.

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                                • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                                  I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.

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                                  #130

                                  speedrunning the Mullvad / 1Password playbook

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                                  • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                                    Holy crap he is getting shredded on Reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/1xilgwk/comment/19ru2qt4r4r5u/

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                                    nana_mx15m9@mk.spook.social
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                                    #131

                                    穴場のアウトレットショップ、全部激安です。ガラポンで高級品も当たります。在庫少なめなのでお早めに → https://jmty.io/shop/

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                                    • hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchangeH hacks4pancakes@infosec.exchange

                                      I really didn’t have money on Proton crashing and burning as a trusted community partner and company due to leadership AI psychosis this rapidly. It’s incredibly disappointing and a huge loss.

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                                      #132

                                      @hacks4pancakes Yeah... I made some quick adjustments to my own paid Proton subcription. Disappointing to see this, don't want to leave the product and need some time for off ramping and then on ramping elsewhere.

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                                      • budududuroiu@hachyderm.ioB budududuroiu@hachyderm.io

                                        @hacks4pancakes If you're not using AI to endlessly pentest your software (especially privacy-preserving software), your opps are 100% doing it and you're ngmi

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                                        #133

                                        @budududuroiu @hacks4pancakes did you read the article they posted as a follow-up. If not you might want to

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                                        • M mweiss@infosec.exchange

                                          @Mx_Shankly @hacks4pancakes @mrclark Easy to say, but changing email addresses is not a trivial undertaking. That's not about all eggs in one basket. It's that email switching costs are very high.

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                                          #134

                                          @mweiss @Mx_Shankly @hacks4pancakes @mrclark

                                          That's why it doesn't hurt to use your own domain. Some good mail providers (like mailbox.org) support this.

                                          And if you don't like the mail provider any more, you move the domain with it's atrached mail adresses to another provider (or your own server).

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