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  • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

    From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

    “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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    #43

    @overholt They don't have the foggiest idea of what a book actually is. Or perhaps the destruction of access to knowledge and human connection is the point.

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    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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      #44

      @overholt served its purpose ... to the destroyer. 💥

      Man. Treating the collection of human knowledge and art in printed books as single use is just peak capitalism. It's no wonder that same knowledge and art is ultimate being rent sought token by token, chat bubble over chat bubble, by the same mindset. The shoe fits. 👀

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      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

        From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

        “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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        #45

        @overholt words of the utterly deranged

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        • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

          From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

          “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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          #46

          @overholt I have rarely seen such weak, sanctimonious, disingenuous drivel; nor ever wanted so badly to stab its author.

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          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

            From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

            “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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            #47

            @overholt@glammr.us Funny, they seem to be claiming that the information is preserved, but recent copyrights claims were dismissed because the "training" is supposed to be "transformative".

            So which is it bubs? Is it there, or is it transformed?

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            • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

              From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

              “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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              #48

              @overholt @briankrebs So Marie Antoinette obviously didn’t die on the guilliotine in 1793.

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              • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                #49

                @overholt
                What about the act of reading and the internal mental process of discovery and absorbtion that goes on in the human mind? What an insane comment to make. So this unique collection of words and thought processes is useless once AI has injested it? There freaks are anti-human and extremely dangerous.

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                • id1om@mastodonapp.ukI id1om@mastodonapp.uk

                  @overholt
                  I came across this related substack yesterday, where the author has additional information to impart...

                  "Is an AI company buying up all the used books? (I don’t think so, not this time.) | #103
                  But no matter what, the Library of Alexandria is still burning."

                  "The theory that’s taken off like wildfire on Twitter is that it’s an AI company buying all these books to scan them for purposes of creating more training data for the algorithm. My theory, which is a little more mundane, is that it’s just simple financial arbitrage."

                  https://charliebecker.substack.com/p/is-an-ai-company-buying-up-all-the

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                  #50

                  @id1om @overholt This short video shows a small part of our three-year ordeal in Gaza. Thank you for watching. ❤️

                  ❤️ https://kafeneio.social/@AmirGaza/117003837982746429

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                  • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                    From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                    “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                    #51

                    @overholt "The bubble has not popped. Its value has migrated into the ether." Can't happen soon enough

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                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                      From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                      “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                      #52

                      @overholt I feel a disturbance as if a million librarians cried out in fear and pain.

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                      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                        As someone who has devoted his career to celebrating and preserving the artifactual, tangible value of books, this feels like a knife in the gut.

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                        #53

                        @overholt

                        Oh, I’d like to suggest that it’s much more than simply feeling a knife in the gut.

                        This is book burning 2.0

                        We don’t know what AI does to, and with the content it ingests. A consolidates control over information into the hands of the few.

                        The value of the book was to broadly disseminate information. The value of AI to psychopaths is to consolidate control over information.

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                        • pattykimura@beige.partyP pattykimura@beige.party

                          @overholt

                          Fahrenheit 451, AI version.
                          Sure, you can read Shakespeare, Marx, Ray Bradbury, Little Women, the Bible... AI filtered: "Would you like me to summarize this book for you? I can do that."

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                          #54

                          @pattykimura @overholt Seems like the firemen are already at work in our world, too

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                          • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                            From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                            “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                            #55

                            @overholt Oh my god

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                            • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                              From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                              “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                              #56

                              @overholt cartoon villains made flesh

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                              • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                #57

                                @overholt
                                *Pantheon* (2022)-ass statement

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                                • gimulnautti@mastodon.greenG gimulnautti@mastodon.green

                                  @overholt Bullshit trying to sound philosophical. Which is exactly what AI is most of the time.

                                  In Logan's Run, a classic sci-fi picture, all the books had been destroyed, and people could only read summaries of them. 🤔

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                                  #58

                                  @gimulnautti @overholt I want to go cheer as the Carousel takes Sam Altman and his Slop Baron friends.

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                                  • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                    As someone who has devoted his career to celebrating and preserving the artifactual, tangible value of books, this feels like a knife in the gut.

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                                    #59

                                    @overholt

                                    when will they be destroying the papyri from ancient Egypt? The Scrolls?

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                                    • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                      As someone who has devoted his career to celebrating and preserving the artifactual, tangible value of books, this feels like a knife in the gut.

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                                      #60

                                      @overholt I have a lot of ebooks around, but I've occasionally made a point of buying physical books, in part because digital data is so vulnerable. Even the DRM-free epub files are vulnerable to the decay of storage media with short lifespans.

                                      The mass destruction of physical books seems like an intentional threat.

                                      People talk about this being the result of a grotesque judicial interpretation of copyright law, but I don't think "AI" companies care about law that much. They seem to violate laws pretty frequently. This looks to me like a deliberate act of violence. They actually intend to destroy physical books.

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                                      • overholt@glammr.usO overholt@glammr.us

                                        From the website of the company that’s destroying books to feed them into the ravenous AI maw.

                                        “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information. Once that information has been extracted and encoded into an AI model, the delivery mechanism has served its purpose. What remains is paper, ink, and binding material. The book is not destroyed. Its value has migrated. The paper returns to the material cycle; the knowledge enters the intellectual one.” https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/internet/ai-labs-buy-scan-shred-millions-of-rare-books/news-story/0c3b45a67093ab462a587a0348538ce9

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                                        #61

                                        Apparently the quote was shocking enough they've rewritten the post, but IA has the receipts. https://web.archive.org/web/20260720152647/https://isbndb.com/blog/print-books-sourcing-ai-training/

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                                        • kagan@wandering.shopK kagan@wandering.shop

                                          @overholt “A physical book is a delivery mechanism for information.... the knowledge enters the intellectual [cycle].”

                                          Okay, so I could ask the AI model, "Give me the entire, unaltered text of $TITLE_OF_BOOK," and it would do it? It wouldn't make up some random crap that wasn't actually the original text?

                                          Yeah, I don't buy that for a moment.

                                          The *actual content* of the book has been destroyed. It's a tragedy.

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                                          #62

                                          @kagan @overholt

                                          I like your idea. Now try it using a book you know well. Might be 'interesting' to the IP lawyers arguing against the AI rip-off.

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