I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
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@QasimRashid If you are more concerned with bashing dems than punching nazis you aren't helping.
i am regularly spouting the very same sentiment
however we see alternatives now: AOC, Mamdani, El-Sayed, etc
so what we do is vote to get 50 more Mamdanis
people who don't vote out of frustration with centrist democrats are idiots
but we have to articulate a valid response to this dead weak centrism in the democratic party
again:
not voting is for idiots and is acceptance of fascism
not replacing (which we do by voting) centrist dems... is the same, in the long run
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i am regularly spouting the very same sentiment
however we see alternatives now: AOC, Mamdani, El-Sayed, etc
so what we do is vote to get 50 more Mamdanis
people who don't vote out of frustration with centrist democrats are idiots
but we have to articulate a valid response to this dead weak centrism in the democratic party
again:
not voting is for idiots and is acceptance of fascism
not replacing (which we do by voting) centrist dems... is the same, in the long run
@benroyce @QasimRashid Y'all just make me a little nervous 'cause I remember Susan Sarandon saying if she can't have a Bernie win she was for Trump "because it would bring the revolution." That sort of irresponsible nonsense is dangerous. Either one is helping defeat the nazis or one is aiding them by distracting from the vital task. Spending energy today shitting on any dem is a net win for the nazis.
As you well know.
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
We desperately need new Democratic Party leadership when we win the House and Senate.
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
Voters need to understand it more so than leadership. Voters need to understand that there are some progressive wins this cycle so far, but "voting blue no matter who" isn't enough any more. A bunxh of Newsoms or Buttigiegs aren't going to save our country.
If we want to avoid returning to normal it means continuing to push even if there is a blue wave. It means rooting out every corporate democrat and replacing them with an actual leftist.
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@benroyce @QasimRashid Y'all just make me a little nervous 'cause I remember Susan Sarandon saying if she can't have a Bernie win she was for Trump "because it would bring the revolution." That sort of irresponsible nonsense is dangerous. Either one is helping defeat the nazis or one is aiding them by distracting from the vital task. Spending energy today shitting on any dem is a net win for the nazis.
As you well know.
Susan Sarandon is an idiot
She means well but we are all familiar with people who mean well but by their (in)action they only make things worse
Standing on perfection and not participating, allowing far worse to dominate, is for ineffectual losers who value their holy self-regard over obvious real world peril
It's pure entitlement and privilege, because the bad effects won't touch them, so they play their smug games
We need to vote. To replace centrist democrat shit
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Susan Sarandon is an idiot
She means well but we are all familiar with people who mean well but by their (in)action they only make things worse
Standing on perfection and not participating, allowing far worse to dominate, is for ineffectual losers who value their holy self-regard over obvious real world peril
It's pure entitlement and privilege, because the bad effects won't touch them, so they play their smug games
We need to vote. To replace centrist democrat shit
@benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?
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@benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?
zero argument
simple tactics: hold the line so we can fight another day
against that we have idiots who think a vote is a devotional love letter of eternal purity. which is fucking immature and stupid. but that's how they are, so they don't vote, so we don't hold the line, so now our struggle is harder
it's just fucking tactics!
the deeper issue:
we take over the democrats with real leftists in the primaries
two different struggles
complementary, not contradictory
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Voters need to understand it more so than leadership. Voters need to understand that there are some progressive wins this cycle so far, but "voting blue no matter who" isn't enough any more. A bunxh of Newsoms or Buttigiegs aren't going to save our country.
If we want to avoid returning to normal it means continuing to push even if there is a blue wave. It means rooting out every corporate democrat and replacing them with an actual leftist.
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
@QasimRashid
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
"Normal" should have been public flagellation of the January 6th terrorists and throwing in jail the adjudicated rapist, traitor and fraudster, agent Krasnov.
Followed by the voting out all the "Democrats" who voted for confimation of the extremists High court kangaroo court judges and repugnican departmental officials.
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
Oligarchs own America
David Sacks
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/david-sacks-trump-ai-executive-order-6019242dWars of aggression & regime change that profits the GOP & its oligarchs, foreign & domestic
Paul Singer, Ron Lauder, Betancourt, Citrone, & Addison
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/venezuelan-billionaire-us-investigated-money-laundering-now-has-pentagon-oil-2026-09-05/https://www.commondreams.org/news/venezuela-oil-sale-trump-donor
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/world/europe/trump-lauder-ukraine-lithium.html
https://theconversation.com/before-venezuelas-oil-there-were-guatemalas-bananas-272973
https://inkstickmedia.com/the-same-old-pattern-that-led-up-to-trumps-iran-war/
https://www.thecollector.com/the-banana-wars-how-the-us-plundered-central-america/
https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/trump-history/
https://www.commondreams.org/news/paul-singer-venezuela
https://theconversation.com/the-trump-revolution-where-it-came-from-and-where-its-going-246271
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
@QasimRashid I kinda just accepted that we're on an unstoppable downward slope.
Don't get me wrong it's not gonna stop me personally from pushing for better as I think even the effort is valuable in itself.It's not a matter of whether you feel discouraged or not, if you stop pushing for better because you think it won't happen things will truly never change.
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
Even this is just a start. Billionaires and gigantic corporations have to pay for the role they played making America this way. It was their deliberate plan to do this and they’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars every year for a half century. And now we have a second contingent with even more money from Silicon Valley, who are even more genocidal than oil money.
Their wealth and their corporate size that makes them possible must be completely dismantled.
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@benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?
@phaedral @benroyce @QasimRashid Problem is the Dems in question are working with Donald and Republicans more than what the base wants them to do hence vichycrats. Johnson and Jeffries had basically the same bosses in the 2024 campaign cycle. Check out their opensecrets profiles "Top Organization and Industry Donors." And don't try to say I'm not dedicated enough I vote Democratic party every election and I also volunteer and donate.
https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/mike-johnson/us_congress/summary?mpid=1055439&cycle=2024&display=candidate
https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/hakeem-jeffries/us_congress/summary?mpid=1050304&cycle=2024&display=candidate -
I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
@QasimRashid Horrifying thing is, it’s not that they don’t understand. They’re willing to do it again, ideologically & b/c they refuse to relinquish $100Maire/billionaire support. In fact they’ll blame voters again & double down… even if it means falling to fascism permanently & the literal end of the world.
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@phaedral @benroyce @QasimRashid Problem is the Dems in question are working with Donald and Republicans more than what the base wants them to do hence vichycrats. Johnson and Jeffries had basically the same bosses in the 2024 campaign cycle. Check out their opensecrets profiles "Top Organization and Industry Donors." And don't try to say I'm not dedicated enough I vote Democratic party every election and I also volunteer and donate.
https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/mike-johnson/us_congress/summary?mpid=1055439&cycle=2024&display=candidate
https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/hakeem-jeffries/us_congress/summary?mpid=1050304&cycle=2024&display=candidate@andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid
none of this is news to anyone
centrist dems fucking suck
the point is to use our antipathy to show up in the primaries and replace them. primary turn out is so poor. but that's where we get 50 mamdanis across the usa
so where are these people sick of the schumers and the jeffries in the primaries?
many decide to just not vote at all
which only serves to hand MAGA fascism wins
unfathomably stupid and self-defeating
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@QasimRashid Horrifying thing is, it’s not that they don’t understand. They’re willing to do it again, ideologically & b/c they refuse to relinquish $100Maire/billionaire support. In fact they’ll blame voters again & double down… even if it means falling to fascism permanently & the literal end of the world.
@QasimRashid Election-wise ofc we have to vote for them in the general b/c of the spoiler effect. That battle is won or lost in the primary.. & due to the structure of the American constitution, dominance of capitalism, etc. But ofc it takes acting politically beyond that
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@andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid
none of this is news to anyone
centrist dems fucking suck
the point is to use our antipathy to show up in the primaries and replace them. primary turn out is so poor. but that's where we get 50 mamdanis across the usa
so where are these people sick of the schumers and the jeffries in the primaries?
many decide to just not vote at all
which only serves to hand MAGA fascism wins
unfathomably stupid and self-defeating
@benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid I mean this year in multiple states Senate primary including mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer so hopefully we're working on it. My congressional district was denied a Democratic primary and the system was also abused to prevent Democrats from running independently.
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I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.
That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.
If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.
@QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD. -
@QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.
The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.
