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  3. I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

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  • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

    @benroyce @QasimRashid Y'all just make me a little nervous 'cause I remember Susan Sarandon saying if she can't have a Bernie win she was for Trump "because it would bring the revolution." That sort of irresponsible nonsense is dangerous. Either one is helping defeat the nazis or one is aiding them by distracting from the vital task. Spending energy today shitting on any dem is a net win for the nazis.

    As you well know.

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    #14

    @phaedral @QasimRashid

    Susan Sarandon is an idiot

    She means well but we are all familiar with people who mean well but by their (in)action they only make things worse

    Standing on perfection and not participating, allowing far worse to dominate, is for ineffectual losers who value their holy self-regard over obvious real world peril

    It's pure entitlement and privilege, because the bad effects won't touch them, so they play their smug games

    We need to vote. To replace centrist democrat shit

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    • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

      @phaedral @QasimRashid

      Susan Sarandon is an idiot

      She means well but we are all familiar with people who mean well but by their (in)action they only make things worse

      Standing on perfection and not participating, allowing far worse to dominate, is for ineffectual losers who value their holy self-regard over obvious real world peril

      It's pure entitlement and privilege, because the bad effects won't touch them, so they play their smug games

      We need to vote. To replace centrist democrat shit

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      #15

      @benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?

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      • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

        @benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?

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        #16

        @phaedral @QasimRashid

        zero argument

        simple tactics: hold the line so we can fight another day

        against that we have idiots who think a vote is a devotional love letter of eternal purity. which is fucking immature and stupid. but that's how they are, so they don't vote, so we don't hold the line, so now our struggle is harder

        it's just fucking tactics!

        the deeper issue:

        we take over the democrats with real leftists in the primaries

        two different struggles

        complementary, not contradictory

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        • contrasocial@mastodon.socialC contrasocial@mastodon.social

          @QasimRashid

          Voters need to understand it more so than leadership. Voters need to understand that there are some progressive wins this cycle so far, but "voting blue no matter who" isn't enough any more. A bunxh of Newsoms or Buttigiegs aren't going to save our country.

          If we want to avoid returning to normal it means continuing to push even if there is a blue wave. It means rooting out every corporate democrat and replacing them with an actual leftist.

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          #17

          @contrasocial @QasimRashid

          👏 👏 👏

          well said

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          • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

            I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

            That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

            If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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            #18

            @QasimRashid ☝️This!!!

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            • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

              I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

              That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

              If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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              #19

              @QasimRashid

              "Normal" should have been public flagellation of the January 6th terrorists and throwing in jail the adjudicated rapist, traitor and fraudster, agent Krasnov.

              Followed by the voting out all the "Democrats" who voted for confimation of the extremists High court kangaroo court judges and repugnican departmental officials.

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              • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                #20

                @QasimRashid

                Oligarchs own America

                David Sacks
                https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/david-sacks-trump-ai-executive-order-6019242d

                Wars of aggression & regime change that profits the GOP & its oligarchs, foreign & domestic
                Paul Singer, Ron Lauder, Betancourt, Citrone, & Addison
                https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/venezuelan-billionaire-us-investigated-money-laundering-now-has-pentagon-oil-2026-09-05/

                https://www.commondreams.org/news/venezuela-oil-sale-trump-donor

                https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/08/world/europe/trump-lauder-ukraine-lithium.html

                https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/9/1/who-is-alejandro-betancourt-ex-chavez-ally-now-trumps-venezuela-oil-man

                https://theconversation.com/before-venezuelas-oil-there-were-guatemalas-bananas-272973

                https://inkstickmedia.com/the-same-old-pattern-that-led-up-to-trumps-iran-war/

                https://www.thecollector.com/the-banana-wars-how-the-us-plundered-central-america/

                https://www.nbcnews.com/specials/donald-trump-republican-party/trump-history/

                https://www.commondreams.org/news/paul-singer-venezuela

                https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/15/ronald-lauder-billionaire-donor-donald-trump-ukraine-greenland

                https://theconversation.com/the-trump-revolution-where-it-came-from-and-where-its-going-246271

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                • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                  I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                  That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                  If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                  #21

                  @QasimRashid I kinda just accepted that we're on an unstoppable downward slope.
                  Don't get me wrong it's not gonna stop me personally from pushing for better as I think even the effort is valuable in itself.

                  It's not a matter of whether you feel discouraged or not, if you stop pushing for better because you think it won't happen things will truly never change.
                  That's how you get a majority of US citizens voting for nothing.

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                  • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                    I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                    That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                    If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                    #22

                    @QasimRashid

                    Even this is just a start. Billionaires and gigantic corporations have to pay for the role they played making America this way. It was their deliberate plan to do this and they’ve spent hundreds of millions of dollars every year for a half century. And now we have a second contingent with even more money from Silicon Valley, who are even more genocidal than oil money.

                    Their wealth and their corporate size that makes them possible must be completely dismantled.

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                    • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

                      @benroyce @QasimRashid ...to kick the fucking gop to the curb. When you've accomplished that get back to me about "centrists." But first, clobber the nazis, eh?

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                      #23

                      @phaedral @benroyce @QasimRashid Problem is the Dems in question are working with Donald and Republicans more than what the base wants them to do hence vichycrats. Johnson and Jeffries had basically the same bosses in the 2024 campaign cycle. Check out their opensecrets profiles "Top Organization and Industry Donors." And don't try to say I'm not dedicated enough I vote Democratic party every election and I also volunteer and donate.
                      https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/mike-johnson/us_congress/summary?mpid=1055439&cycle=2024&display=candidate
                      https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/hakeem-jeffries/us_congress/summary?mpid=1050304&cycle=2024&display=candidate

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                      • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                        I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                        That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                        If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                        #24

                        @QasimRashid Horrifying thing is, it’s not that they don’t understand. They’re willing to do it again, ideologically & b/c they refuse to relinquish $100Maire/billionaire support. In fact they’ll blame voters again & double down… even if it means falling to fascism permanently & the literal end of the world.

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                        • andrew773@mastodon.onlineA andrew773@mastodon.online

                          @phaedral @benroyce @QasimRashid Problem is the Dems in question are working with Donald and Republicans more than what the base wants them to do hence vichycrats. Johnson and Jeffries had basically the same bosses in the 2024 campaign cycle. Check out their opensecrets profiles "Top Organization and Industry Donors." And don't try to say I'm not dedicated enough I vote Democratic party every election and I also volunteer and donate.
                          https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/mike-johnson/us_congress/summary?mpid=1055439&cycle=2024&display=candidate
                          https://www.opensecrets.org/profiles/hakeem-jeffries/us_congress/summary?mpid=1050304&cycle=2024&display=candidate

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                          #25

                          @andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid

                          none of this is news to anyone

                          centrist dems fucking suck

                          the point is to use our antipathy to show up in the primaries and replace them. primary turn out is so poor. but that's where we get 50 mamdanis across the usa

                          so where are these people sick of the schumers and the jeffries in the primaries?

                          many decide to just not vote at all

                          which only serves to hand MAGA fascism wins

                          unfathomably stupid and self-defeating

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                          • simplicator@federate.socialS simplicator@federate.social

                            @QasimRashid Horrifying thing is, it’s not that they don’t understand. They’re willing to do it again, ideologically & b/c they refuse to relinquish $100Maire/billionaire support. In fact they’ll blame voters again & double down… even if it means falling to fascism permanently & the literal end of the world.

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                            #26

                            @QasimRashid Election-wise ofc we have to vote for them in the general b/c of the spoiler effect. That battle is won or lost in the primary.. & due to the structure of the American constitution, dominance of capitalism, etc. But ofc it takes acting politically beyond that

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                            • benroyce@mastodon.socialB benroyce@mastodon.social

                              @andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid

                              none of this is news to anyone

                              centrist dems fucking suck

                              the point is to use our antipathy to show up in the primaries and replace them. primary turn out is so poor. but that's where we get 50 mamdanis across the usa

                              so where are these people sick of the schumers and the jeffries in the primaries?

                              many decide to just not vote at all

                              which only serves to hand MAGA fascism wins

                              unfathomably stupid and self-defeating

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                              @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid I mean this year in multiple states Senate primary including mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer so hopefully we're working on it. My congressional district was denied a Democratic primary and the system was also abused to prevent Democrats from running independently.

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                              • qasimrashid@mastodon.socialQ qasimrashid@mastodon.social

                                I desperately need Democratic Party leadership to understand that winning the House and Senate cannot mean a return to "normal" pre-Trump.

                                That "normal" pre-Trump is what led to Trump. Don't believe me? Two terms under Obama led us to Trump. Then we rallied and elected Biden in 2020 and got him a trifecta government. Biden stuck to "norms," and it led us right back to Trump in 2024.

                                If you're not ready to disrupt the entire system that keeps electing Trump, you need to be voted out as well.

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                                #28

                                @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                                trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                                • pineywoozle@masto.aiP pineywoozle@masto.ai

                                  @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                                  trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                                  #29

                                  @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                                  💯 The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.

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                                  • andrew773@mastodon.onlineA andrew773@mastodon.online

                                    @benroyce @phaedral @QasimRashid I mean this year in multiple states Senate primary including mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer so hopefully we're working on it. My congressional district was denied a Democratic primary and the system was also abused to prevent Democrats from running independently.

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                                    @andrew773 @phaedral @QasimRashid

                                    that's wrong

                                    but like you said:

                                    "mine have mentioned they will not support Schumer"

                                    and how was that arrived at?

                                    it wasn't arrived at through those who don't vote

                                    and empty "dems suck" comments result in that

                                    dems *do* suck

                                    so we *fix* that

                                    in the primaries

                                    we don't just throw up our hands and let MAGA take over. that's insane

                                    and i'm not accusing you of that, but you have to accentuate the way forward, not just issue complaints

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                                    • phaedral@beige.partyP phaedral@beige.party

                                      @QasimRashid If you are more concerned with bashing dems than punching nazis you aren't helping.

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                                      #31

                                      @phaedral @QasimRashid many dems went on fox news to, attack the progressives and Hassan piker. You looks like a political cultist

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                                      • mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineM mastodonmigration@mastodon.online

                                        @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid

                                        💯 The worst centrist Dem is infinitely better than any GOP candidate. Vote.

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                                        @mastodonmigration @QasimRashid Yep, and the purity BS is already starting. We need to point it out for the dangerous stupidity it is loud and often. If the people who didn’t find HC or KH pure enough had gotten off their privlaged high horse and just voted Dem we wouldn’t have had tRump a single time let alone two. All the deaths under tRump are as much on their heads as they are the republicans & tRump.

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                                        • pineywoozle@masto.aiP pineywoozle@masto.ai

                                          @QasimRashid In this election if you’re a Democrat & you have the best chance of winning in the General, I’m going to vote for you. I don’t care who you are. Period the motherfucking end. Once the primary is over, I do not give two shits. You are getting my vote and that includes motherfuckers who stir up
                                          trouble 2 months before an election under the guise of purity bullshit. Trump didn’t happen because of the Dems. Trump happened because we didn’t vote enough Dems in PERIOD.

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                                          #33

                                          @Pineywoozle @QasimRashid Trump happened because of the two party system and the lesser of two evil bs. Enjoy another Trump in 1 or 2 next elections. It is time for your evil shitty empire to collapse

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