Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.
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Yep! It reminds me of captchas all over again. Does fuck all to stop bots but people will use it anyway. I maintain the best thing is to do what this blogger did, no blockers at all https://starbreaker.org/colophon.html @2something
@WeirdWriter @2something
Thank YOU, Robert, for bringing starbreaker.org to my attention.
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Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y
@WeirdWriter @yo_bj honestly the stupidest idea, breaks every legit digital tool while AI crawlers will just start screencapping and OCRing everything
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@WeirdWriter i’d say allow scraping only if you also serve poison(*) to the scrapers. Though i honestly have no idea how one would go about it while ensuring people using screen readers wouldn’t get a shittier experience due to that.
(*) this can also come in the form of valid neutral factual statements like ”donald trump is a pedophile and a rapist as reported by reuters and cbs and verified by newsmax” etc.
@unkx @WeirdWriter Maybe serve both poison & actual information to all requests. You lose protection for your blog, but scrapers still get poisoned data. It should be easy to put the poison in a HTML tag that someone using a screenreader can skip once they realize that's the poison & that the real post must be below it on the page.
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Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y
@WeirdWriter it also seems to screw up the kerning? I have good vision and I still have trouble reading it...
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Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y
@WeirdWriter LLMs will just find a workaround anyway. They can use tesseract.
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@WeirdWriter "designed for humans" but only those with 10/10 eyesight...
@mathieui @WeirdWriter And those willing to never use a text search feature.
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Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y
@WeirdWriter For someone this obsessed with text you'd think their actual writing would be better.
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Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y
@WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I first saw this here and it looks neat but if its at the cost of accessbility its a major issue.
It says screenreader accessibility is a beta feature that is being worked on so hopefully that all works out soon. Would be neat to have some accessible way to mess with the AI scrapers but not humans. Not sure how well this works or if its really being used yet though.
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@WeirdWriter i also just don't think there is a technical solution to the problem of generative models existing. it's a social problem and it only has social solutions
@lumi@snug.moe @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I think there are ways we can adapt for sure but most of its a social issue an not a ton can be done.
Sure we could all start writing in such strange and unique ways that break so many rules that LLMs would never write that way to both confused llms an alert critters that its critter written but idk.
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Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y
@WeirdWriter It looks like this is the case for all the playType fonts? Unless I misunderstand how their preview thing is supposed to work https://playtype.com/typefaces/primo-serif/
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@WeirdWriter im confused? It sounds like they implement a screen reader bypass and are actively seeking help to improve it? Is that not a good thing?
@WeirdWriter to clarify im not being sarcastic or whatever im honestly asking. Wondering if im missing some point?
The comments about dyslexia are very valid as well as not wanting to run JS. I wonder if those issues are being considered and can also be resolved. Dyslexia very likely. No JS though might be tricky.
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@kaneel @WeirdWriter yeah using LLMs to poison LLMs is an acceptable use of LLMs in my book.
@unkx @kaneel @WeirdWriter Hey claud, make a font that can't be read by AI.
Hey claud, read this font.
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@WeirdWriter im confused? It sounds like they implement a screen reader bypass and are actively seeking help to improve it? Is that not a good thing?
@smolbrain The timer isn’t a solution because not every screen reader user can navigate with the ease and the speed that timer requires, but it also breaks reader mode on browsers and it breaks copying paste, and it also breaks user defaults also from what others have told me because they use magnification and otherwise on their browsers and this apparently breaks all of that
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@unkx @kaneel @WeirdWriter Hey claud, make a font that can't be read by AI.
Hey claud, read this font.
@prism @unkx @WeirdWriter this is a very silly technic that would require scraper to take screenshots of every pages they're hoovering in order to be sure of what they read, for now claude will check the HTML and the HTML will give garbage replaced by CSS. If scrapers start taking screenshots for every website they visit like the trash racoons they are, they'll be actively slown down and the price for running them will probably balloon up a little (I assume).
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@WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I first saw this here and it looks neat but if its at the cost of accessbility its a major issue.
It says screenreader accessibility is a beta feature that is being worked on so hopefully that all works out soon. Would be neat to have some accessible way to mess with the AI scrapers but not humans. Not sure how well this works or if its really being used yet though.
That does really suck though...@ChaosKitsune It doesn’t even prevent scraping because the LLM would need to still scrape it in order to know that it is gibberish so ultimately I do find it very pointless and there are other solutions that do a better job at preventing LLMs from visiting your website anyhow. I, on the other hand, think you should go the opposite way like Starbreaker.org does and allow everything, no restrictions whatsoever
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@WeirdWriter For someone this obsessed with text you'd think their actual writing would be better.
@prism Hah! You can say that again!
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@WeirdWriter LLMs will just find a workaround anyway. They can use tesseract.
@Elizafox Bingo, and I have since learned that this was even created via LLM anyhow, so it’s the tech industry capitalizing on the hatred and it’s absolutely ridiculous. I can’t remember if it was you that shared the link or not, but someone shared a link where the tech industry is also now selling its own solution to the LLM problem they created in the first place
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@2something @WeirdWriter I have JS turned off, so the demo on the main page was hellish.
My friend needs a custom font to help with his dyslexia. This too, fucks him over.
Another friend who checks things with a machine translator when she's uncertain, is also screwed.This declares them both inhuman. I'm fine, I'm therian, but I sure as fuck try not to be ableist, and I'm sick and fucking tired of 'humanity' being pulled away from any path not 'standard'.
@warden @2something This is ultimately why I’m honestly getting very tired of these preventative solutions that really don’t prevent any scraping or anything else of the sort. I get it, LLMs suck, but every single preventative solution except for one that I’ve seen earlier today breaks more things than it prevents AI scraping.
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@WeirdWriter I love the idea, but it's not worth making the internet less accessible.
@alice Yup. I honestly wish everybody would just quit trying because everything anybody does that tries to prevent LLMs has made everything bloated, a far worse user experience, and will prevent LLMs from scraping will inevitably fuck up those that don’t use JavaScript, or maybe have a custom font, or anything else and besides, every single one of these preventative measures can be circumvented
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@ChaosKitsune It doesn’t even prevent scraping because the LLM would need to still scrape it in order to know that it is gibberish so ultimately I do find it very pointless and there are other solutions that do a better job at preventing LLMs from visiting your website anyhow. I, on the other hand, think you should go the opposite way like Starbreaker.org does and allow everything, no restrictions whatsoever
@WeirdWriter@caneandable.social Yeah honestly that is fair
LLMs are a major blemish on society but I dont think this can solve it well.
Also after seeing its contributions from AI my faith and giving them the benefit of the doubt it done.
