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  3. Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.

Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader.

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  • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

    Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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    #64

    @WeirdWriter sometimes, I like to jumble up my sentences to train the ai incorrectly. They'll start speaking like drunk Yoda soon enough

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    • R raulmatias@mstdn.social

      @WeirdWriter Why do these people badly re-invent the wheel in the first place when there's already Iocaine <https://iocaine.madhouse-project.org/>?

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      #65

      @raulmatias @WeirdWriter thats an interesting tool!

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      • chrishenrichs@norden.socialC chrishenrichs@norden.social

        @WeirdWriter @unkx next step: Ask Skynet to develop a cure for the next pandemic.

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        #66

        @ChrisHenrichs @WeirdWriter a true silicon valley entrepreneur would first ask skynet to develop the next pandemic, and then sell the cure for it. As a subscription naturally.

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        • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

          Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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          #67

          @WeirdWriter once I saw people posting about that blocker thing my first thought was "is this going to make things illegible for screen readers?". Sad to have my fears confirmed

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          • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

            Yep! It reminds me of captchas all over again. Does fuck all to stop bots but people will use it anyway. I maintain the best thing is to do what this blogger did, no blockers at all https://starbreaker.org/colophon.html @2something

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            #68

            @WeirdWriter @2something
            Thank YOU, Robert, for bringing starbreaker.org to my attention.
            Just my cup of tea, and wonderful to finally be aware of it.

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            • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

              Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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              #69

              @WeirdWriter @yo_bj honestly the stupidest idea, breaks every legit digital tool while AI crawlers will just start screencapping and OCRing everything

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              • U unkx@icosahedron.website

                @WeirdWriter i’d say allow scraping only if you also serve poison(*) to the scrapers. Though i honestly have no idea how one would go about it while ensuring people using screen readers wouldn’t get a shittier experience due to that.

                (*) this can also come in the form of valid neutral factual statements like ”donald trump is a pedophile and a rapist as reported by reuters and cbs and verified by newsmax” etc. 😉

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                #70

                @unkx @WeirdWriter Maybe serve both poison & actual information to all requests. You lose protection for your blog, but scrapers still get poisoned data. It should be easy to put the poison in a HTML tag that someone using a screenreader can skip once they realize that's the poison & that the real post must be below it on the page.

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                • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                  Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                  #71

                  @WeirdWriter it also seems to screw up the kerning? I have good vision and I still have trouble reading it...

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                  • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                    Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                    #72

                    @WeirdWriter LLMs will just find a workaround anyway. They can use tesseract.

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                    • mathieui@piaille.frM mathieui@piaille.fr

                      @WeirdWriter "designed for humans" but only those with 10/10 eyesight...

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                      #73

                      @mathieui @WeirdWriter And those willing to never use a text search feature.

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                      • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                        Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                        #74

                        @WeirdWriter For someone this obsessed with text you'd think their actual writing would be better.

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                        • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                          Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                          #75

                          @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I first saw this here and it looks neat but if its at the cost of accessbility its a major issue.

                          It says screenreader accessibility is a beta feature that is being worked on so hopefully that all works out soon. Would be neat to have some accessible way to mess with the AI scrapers but not humans. Not sure how well this works or if its really being used yet though.

                          That does really suck though...

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                          • lumi@snug.moeL lumi@snug.moe

                            @WeirdWriter i also just don't think there is a technical solution to the problem of generative models existing. it's a social problem and it only has social solutions

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                            #76

                            @lumi@snug.moe @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I think there are ways we can adapt for sure but most of its a social issue an not a ton can be done.

                            Sure we could all start writing in such strange and unique ways that break so many rules that LLMs would never write that way to both confused llms an alert critters that its critter written but idk.

                            Maybe im some areas certain poisoning can work but text would certainly be a hard one to flawlessly confuse the scrapers but not the critters

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                            • weirdwriter@caneandable.socialW weirdwriter@caneandable.social

                              Not only was this made with an LLM, it breaks so many other things but If you use this font to protect your text from AI, it also blocks *me, a human* because I use a screen reader. I did try the demo. If you want me to remove your RSS feed, this is the best font to prevent blind people from reading your blog/words. That timer is an inaccessible solution. https://shieldfont.org/#hero #AI #LLM #Accessibility #A11y

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                              #77

                              @WeirdWriter It looks like this is the case for all the playType fonts? Unless I misunderstand how their preview thing is supposed to work https://playtype.com/typefaces/primo-serif/

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                              • smolbrain@floofy.techS smolbrain@floofy.tech

                                @WeirdWriter im confused? It sounds like they implement a screen reader bypass and are actively seeking help to improve it? Is that not a good thing?

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                                #78

                                @WeirdWriter to clarify im not being sarcastic or whatever im honestly asking. Wondering if im missing some point?

                                The comments about dyslexia are very valid as well as not wanting to run JS. I wonder if those issues are being considered and can also be resolved. Dyslexia very likely. No JS though might be tricky.

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                                • U unkx@icosahedron.website

                                  @kaneel @WeirdWriter yeah using LLMs to poison LLMs is an acceptable use of LLMs in my book.

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                                  #79

                                  @unkx @kaneel @WeirdWriter Hey claud, make a font that can't be read by AI.

                                  Hey claud, read this font.

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                                  • smolbrain@floofy.techS smolbrain@floofy.tech

                                    @WeirdWriter im confused? It sounds like they implement a screen reader bypass and are actively seeking help to improve it? Is that not a good thing?

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                                    #80

                                    @smolbrain The timer isn’t a solution because not every screen reader user can navigate with the ease and the speed that timer requires, but it also breaks reader mode on browsers and it breaks copying paste, and it also breaks user defaults also from what others have told me because they use magnification and otherwise on their browsers and this apparently breaks all of that

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                                    • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                                      @unkx @kaneel @WeirdWriter Hey claud, make a font that can't be read by AI.

                                      Hey claud, read this font.

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                                      #81

                                      @prism @unkx @WeirdWriter this is a very silly technic that would require scraper to take screenshots of every pages they're hoovering in order to be sure of what they read, for now claude will check the HTML and the HTML will give garbage replaced by CSS. If scrapers start taking screenshots for every website they visit like the trash racoons they are, they'll be actively slown down and the price for running them will probably balloon up a little (I assume).

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                                      • chaoskitsune@woem.menC chaoskitsune@woem.men

                                        @WeirdWriter@caneandable.social I first saw this here and it looks neat but if its at the cost of accessbility its a major issue.

                                        It says screenreader accessibility is a beta feature that is being worked on so hopefully that all works out soon. Would be neat to have some accessible way to mess with the AI scrapers but not humans. Not sure how well this works or if its really being used yet though.

                                        That does really suck though...

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                                        #82

                                        @ChaosKitsune It doesn’t even prevent scraping because the LLM would need to still scrape it in order to know that it is gibberish so ultimately I do find it very pointless and there are other solutions that do a better job at preventing LLMs from visiting your website anyhow. I, on the other hand, think you should go the opposite way like Starbreaker.org does and allow everything, no restrictions whatsoever

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                                        • prism@infosec.exchangeP prism@infosec.exchange

                                          @WeirdWriter For someone this obsessed with text you'd think their actual writing would be better.

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                                          #83

                                          @prism Hah! You can say that again!

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