Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.

[wronglang@bayes.club]

@Gina @Tarnport @Nono it's permanent, sorry

[lcwander@toot.community]

@Gina @travisfw @yngmar to be honest moving from Italy to the Netherlands, I found Dutch bureaucracy way more random and confusing, particularly the fixation with strict processes that do not allow edge cases.

As to moving to Italy, I would recommend Turin/Piedmont, Bologna/Emilia or Palermo as good compromises. Avoid Milan if you want a house with a garden

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@renatoram the emigration part is worrying, since it's generally educated people that leave. Also rhe bureaucracy and right wing government aren't ideal. Other than that, Italy is a dream.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@vickyjo Switzerland is insanely beautiful. Also a bit too expensive and hayfeverish 🥲

[travisfw@fosstodon.org]

@Gina @elricofmelnibone I'm in

[therestisredacted@mastodon.social]

@neil @Gina

MK……
- sunny and coastal - ️ sort of, lots of lakes, maybe not so much at the moment
- green nature - ️
- access to outdoor sports - ️
- a tech community around - ️
- an expat community that is not retirees -
- generally educated populace around -
- indoor sports such as a bouldering hall, crossfit gym and yoga studio - ️
- able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k. -
- within 1.5 hrs of an international airport - ️
- mountains would be cool - quite a few nice hills

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@kattekrab both solid options, more Croatia than Portugal.

[invernomut0@mastodon.uno]

@_elena @Gina @marcel I think the biggest problem is that the only tech communities in Italy are around the biggest cities. Milan doesn’t have a nice climate IMHO, but if you manage to move around Como you can be near the lake, 30min by train from Milan and 15min from Switzerland if necessary, with two international airports nearby. Liguria is very nice but I don’t think it has a tech community. I cannot say anything meaningful on Rome or Florence.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@invernomut0 @_elena @marcel this. I've been to a few beautiful places around lake Como and Liguria (Sestri Levante!). While they feel like great vacation spots, it might be a bit too quiet for me to live there? Not sure though.

Edit: I've hear good things about the tech community around Bolzano, but might be cold in winter.

[sassdawe@infosec.exchange]

@Gina there is a Spain but with a twist option:

Tenerife is the largest and most-populous island of the Canary Islands, an autonomous community of Spain, located in the Atlantic Ocean off the northwestern coast of Africa.

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@sassdawe valid, but it's a little too far from mainland Europe 🥲

[invernomut0@mastodon.uno]

@Gina @_elena @marcel yes I think places around Como are too much quiet, maybe the city can be more interesting. Trento and Bolzano are definitely cold in the winter. Have you considered France around Côte d’Azur?

[_elena@mastodon.social]

@invernomut0 @Gina @marcel I'm from the Lake Como area (grew up there) and it's definitely too quiet (albeit gorgeous and perfect for vacations)

[whjhoek@mastodon.nl]

@Gina @deach If not consider Copenhagen

[gina@fosstodon.org]

@whjhoek @deach Copenhagen is like Amsterdam's baby sister

[kingmaype@mastodon.green]

@Gina @oilyfish

I researched your "problem" about ten years ago, and I preferred Porto then. I stayed in NL for family reasons. Nonethless, this thread is very interesting.

Atm the rising sea temperatures in the western Mediterranean are a new factor. In case that is a factor, given your constraints, San Sebastian could be a better option than Girona.

Pontevedra is still on my bucket list for a future holiday

[wronglang@bayes.club]

@Gina @Nono a real country that takes money out of my pocket and does some useful social services with it sounds like a *dream* from a US perspective.

My taxes just pay for bombing Gaza and Iran

[musaceae@social.vivaldi.net]

@Gina How about Slovenia? Heard some good stories about it.

[revkarol@fosstodon.org]

@Gina the Bern coastline is unbelievable

[joface@mastodon.scot]

@jackeric @Gina Plus one for Scotland ticking most of these boxes, but the weather really isn’t going to be any different from NL ️