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  3. Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.

Alright now that I shared my awesome new job, I can finally share with you how moving abroad is going.

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  • invernomut0@mastodon.unoI invernomut0@mastodon.uno

    @_elena @Gina @marcel I think the biggest problem is that the only tech communities in Italy are around the biggest cities. Milan doesn’t have a nice climate IMHO, but if you manage to move around Como you can be near the lake, 30min by train from Milan and 15min from Switzerland if necessary, with two international airports nearby. Liguria is very nice but I don’t think it has a tech community. I cannot say anything meaningful on Rome or Florence.

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    @invernomut0 @_elena @marcel this. I've been to a few beautiful places around lake Como and Liguria (Sestri Levante!). While they feel like great vacation spots, it might be a bit too quiet for me to live there? Not sure though.

    Edit: I've hear good things about the tech community around Bolzano, but might be cold in winter.

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    • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

      You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

      On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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      #122

      @Gina there is a Spain but with a twist option:

      Tenerife is the largest and most-populous island of the Canary Islands, an autonomous community of Spain, located in the Atlantic Ocean off the northwestern coast of Africa.

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      • sassdawe@infosec.exchangeS sassdawe@infosec.exchange

        @Gina there is a Spain but with a twist option:

        Tenerife is the largest and most-populous island of the Canary Islands, an autonomous community of Spain, located in the Atlantic Ocean off the northwestern coast of Africa.

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        #123

        @sassdawe valid, but it's a little too far from mainland Europe 🥲

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        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

          @invernomut0 @_elena @marcel this. I've been to a few beautiful places around lake Como and Liguria (Sestri Levante!). While they feel like great vacation spots, it might be a bit too quiet for me to live there? Not sure though.

          Edit: I've hear good things about the tech community around Bolzano, but might be cold in winter.

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          #124

          @Gina @_elena @marcel yes I think places around Como are too much quiet, maybe the city can be more interesting. Trento and Bolzano are definitely cold in the winter. Have you considered France around Côte d’Azur?

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          • invernomut0@mastodon.unoI invernomut0@mastodon.uno

            @Gina @_elena @marcel yes I think places around Como are too much quiet, maybe the city can be more interesting. Trento and Bolzano are definitely cold in the winter. Have you considered France around Côte d’Azur?

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            #125

            @invernomut0 @Gina @marcel I'm from the Lake Como area (grew up there) and it's definitely too quiet (albeit gorgeous and perfect for vacations)

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            • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

              @deach if Stockholm didn't have endless dark winters I'd move there in a heartbeat. In fact I almost moved there during my 2nd year of Uni in Amsterdam. Beautiful city.

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              #126

              @Gina @deach If not 🇸🇪 consider Copenhagen 🇩🇰

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                @Gina @deach If not 🇸🇪 consider Copenhagen 🇩🇰

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                @whjhoek @deach Copenhagen is like Amsterdam's baby sister 😂

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                • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                  @oilyfish I'm considering visiting Northern Spain in September to check it out. But I'm leaving NL because I can't deal with the constant grey skies and rain, so I'm not sure if it'll be a good match.

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                  #128

                  @Gina @oilyfish

                  I researched your "problem" about ten years ago, and I preferred Porto then. I stayed in NL for family reasons. Nonethless, this thread is very interesting.

                  Atm the rising sea temperatures in the western Mediterranean are a new factor. In case that is a factor, given your constraints, San Sebastian could be a better option than Girona.

                  Pontevedra is still on my bucket list for a future holiday 🙂

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                  • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                    @Nono both. It would take tens of thousands out of my pocket.

                    Then again, if you're able to buy a much cheaper house it might offset the cost.

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                    #129

                    @Gina @Nono a real country that takes money out of my pocket and does some useful social services with it sounds like a *dream* from a US perspective.

                    My taxes just pay for bombing Gaza and Iran 😭

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                    • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                      You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

                      On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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                      #130

                      @Gina How about Slovenia? Heard some good stories about it.

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                      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                        A lot of this is contradictory as well.

                        I.e. wanting green nature around while having debilitating hay fever. Wanting a tech community around while not wanting to live in a big city. Able to buy a house with a garden for max €500k while close to an international airport 🤦🏼‍♀️

                        Basically I want Bern without winter and hay fever, but it also has to be affordable. Sigh.

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                        #131

                        @Gina the Bern coastline is unbelievable

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                        • jackeric@beige.partyJ jackeric@beige.party

                          @Gina Scotland's nice and, the way things are trending, likely to get nicer

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                          #132

                          @jackeric @Gina Plus one for Scotland ticking most of these boxes, but the weather really isn’t going to be any different from NL 🌧️

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                          • revkarol@fosstodon.orgR revkarol@fosstodon.org

                            @Gina the Bern coastline is unbelievable

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                            @revkarol lol

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                            • giantspacesquid@fosstodon.orgG giantspacesquid@fosstodon.org

                              @yngmar @Gina and that’s why it’s probably best to live on a sailboat 😜

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                              @giantspacesquid @yngmar @Gina fits all the requirements, or at least can depending on where you decide to moor next.

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                              • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                @whjhoek @deach Copenhagen is like Amsterdam's baby sister 😂

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                                #135

                                @Gina @deach
                                Alternatively, somewhere in my favourite country Norway 🇳🇴.

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                                • koehntopp@infosec.exchangeK koehntopp@infosec.exchange

                                  @Gina
                                  Moving southwards should be easy, most of the population is moving north to escape the heat 🫣

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                                  @koehntopp and the wildfires.
                                  @Gina

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                                  • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                    You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

                                    On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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                                    #137

                                    @Gina surprised Bulgaria's not on your list, it's where Italians retire and has quite the tech scene. Whether you want mountains, plains or beaches there are options

                                    Full disclosure, my wife's Bulgarian so more aware of it than most

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                                      #138

                                      @Gina
                                      Though, I basically never started commuting again "after" covid restrictions went away.

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                                      • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                        You know what else doesn't help? Italy 🇮🇹 being beautiful, but every Italian expat in Amsterdam that I've ever met saying they hate it and that they would never recommend anyone to move there 🥲

                                        On the other hand, Spain 🇪🇸 is awesome but has an insane housing crisis atm. Also unbearably hot in most places.

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                                        #139

                                        @Gina I recommend cities in the north of Barcelona like Masnou o Premia de Mar.

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                                        • gina@fosstodon.orgG gina@fosstodon.org

                                          Okay so, I'm still not 100% sure whether I'm making the right choice. I always thought I'd end up in a nice farm house in France, but because of tax reasons France is not an option. And because of weather reasons the whole of Northern Europe isn't an option 🌧

                                          So it basically comes down to Spain 🇪🇸 or Italy. 🇮🇹

                                          Edit: I'm staying in Europe to minimise timezone differences. #moveabroad

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                                          #140

                                          @Gina Italy for food reasons 😄

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