Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.
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@Silberwoelfin @someone_else @dan In terms of just automating stuff... Yeah, I've got that too, especially on the inverter. If the battery drops below x% and there is AC power, then stop draining the battery. If it's after xx:xx and the battery is on y%, then charge it up to z% and stop.
But see, I'm exceptionally curious. I know the automations are there and I'm happy with them, but I still want to see what's happening. I'm not content to just let it run and never check it myself.
@Silberwoelfin @someone_else @dan I guess you could say that while some people are opening up Facebook or Instagram and scrolling mindlessly through the algorithmic feed when they're board, I'm opening my inverter's app to see how much power we're getting and drawing, and checking the charts for today.... Or opening my camera app to see what's going on at home. Those things are *my* drugs.
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"@someone_else @dan probably means it collects more data...
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!" -
@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!" -
Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.
At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…
@dan Ironically, I actively want a software patch for my dishwasher. It has a full programme and quick programme. We favour the latter (we're impatient) but it doesn't include a drying cycle. I bet that could be fixed in software.
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"@someone_else @dan there's a hole in the bucket dear Laiza.
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"@someone_else @dan It's what plants crave!
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"@someone_else @dan creating the problem and the solution in one go! -
@someone_else @dan Both my cousin and sister have a Bosch series 4 dishwasher. Cousin's is 2-3 years old, and has no WiFi connectivity, sister's is about half a year old, has WiFi, and requires you to use the app to use some features that are available through buttons on the older model, because it's so much easier to put the dishes in, find the phone, unlock it, run the app, wait for it to load, scroll down to the dishwasher, tap it, then select the program instead of pressing 2-5 buttons.
And, what a surprise, that app can display adverts, track your location, watch your network and WiFi connections, take pictures and record audio. Because of course it can. How could you possibly set the dishwasher without all those juicy permissions?
https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.bosch.sh.ui.android/latest/#permissions
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And, what a surprise, that app can display adverts, track your location, watch your network and WiFi connections, take pictures and record audio. Because of course it can. How could you possibly set the dishwasher without all those juicy permissions?
https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.bosch.sh.ui.android/latest/#permissions
@CppGuy @jernej__s @dan
And why does it do that?Because the Display on the Dishwasher can't... (show ads, track your location, or record audio...)
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@flyIng @someone_else @dan Ich hatte mal eine interessante Unterhaltung mit einem Geschäftsführer einer IoT-Firma. Und der hasste das I in IoT und fand das nur einen gigantischen Hack darum, dass man die Device-2-Device-Kommunikation nicht standardisiert hinkriegt. Stattdessen redet das Thermostat mit dem Rechenzentrum, die Heizung mit dem Rechenzentrum und die Integration wird dort gebastelt und gefixt.
@skade @flyIng @someone_else @dan war nicht ZigBee mal für sowas gedacht? Bevor es "praktischer" wurde, das einfach "in der Cloud" zu machen?
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@skade @flyIng @someone_else @dan war nicht ZigBee mal für sowas gedacht? Bevor es "praktischer" wurde, das einfach "in der Cloud" zu machen?
Ich könnte noch Matter und Thread in den ring werfen...
PS.: All diese Lösungen sind noch da und funktionieren.
Die Frage ist also: warum wollen Hersteller UND Konsumenten das nicht unterstützen?(Teile dieser Antwort würden die Öffentlichkeit verunsichern)
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@skade @flyIng @someone_else @dan war nicht ZigBee mal für sowas gedacht? Bevor es "praktischer" wurde, das einfach "in der Cloud" zu machen?
@amberage @flyIng @someone_else @dan "Dafür gedacht" und "problemfrei" ist halt was anderes. Nur weil der Standard existiert, heisst das nicht, das die Vendoren gut integrieren, was mit "hingekriegt" gemeint ist.
Wenn deine Zigbee-Verbindung zwischen Device A und B, eventuell von Vendor X und Y im Hotelzimmer nicht geht, brauchst du irgendeine Art von Remote Hands. Wenn die mit vendor cloud X und Y reden, dann fixt man halt die Verbindung dort. Das ist auch alles handgeklöppelt und wenn in der Cloud was kaputt ist, hat das auch Auswirkungen, aber das deployment ist schnell.
So ist man (unter anderem) da gelandet. Aber wie gesagt: die Frustration war dem Typen ins Gesicht geschrieben, weil das halt ein harter Miss und ein bequemer Weg ist.
Natürlich spielt da mit rein, das jeder gehofft hat, dass sich das löst weil _sie_ die IoT-Platform der Zukunft sind, aber das fügt sich einfach nur in die Gemengenlage mit ein.
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@someone_else @amberage @flyIng @dan
> (Teile dieser Antwort würden die Öffentlichkeit verunsichern)
Auf der Ebene diskutier ich nicht.
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Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.
At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…
@dan now I'm wondering if we have the same model or if that update targeted multiple devices
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@someone_else @amberage @flyIng @dan
> (Teile dieser Antwort würden die Öffentlichkeit verunsichern)
Auf der Ebene diskutier ich nicht.
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!" -
@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"@someone_else @dan This is why my 14 year old “smart” TV has never tasted the open internet. I did download a firmware update to a USB stick to fix an MP4 playback issue about a year after I bought it, but that’s it.
My printer is on its own WiFi network that doesn’t have any external connection because I don’t trust HP’s firmware after there were some RCE’s in other products.
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Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.Eigentlich musst du dafür nur die Netzspannung messen.
Dummes beispiel:
250V => Jetzt laufen.
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@dan
- "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
- "Why is on the internet?"
- "To download software updates!"
- "Why does it need software updates?"
- "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
- "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
- "Because it's on the internet!"@dan@discuss.systems @someone_else@infosec.exchange
and I hate it
