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Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it?

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  • kelson@notes.kvibber.comK kelson@notes.kvibber.com

    @iamnotU @emilymbender To be fair, I've been naming my computers for decades now

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    #68

    @kelson @emilymbender I've been calling my computer names for decades now

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    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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      #69

      @emilymbender "synthetic text extruding machine" is a mouthful, but is also very funny yet very fitting

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      • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

        Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

        https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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        #70

        @emilymbender
        Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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        • imprinted@mastodon.unoI imprinted@mastodon.uno

          @emilymbender
          Call it LLM, because "AI" is a marketing proposition.

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          #71

          @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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          • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

            @Imprinted Wow -- did you reply without reading the newsletter in the post you're responding to or did you read it and decide that you needed to share this wisdom with me?

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            #72

            @emilymbender
            I read it and I agree with what you wrote. I'm saying that if we stick to the LLM definition, automatically there is no intelligence. But I'm no expert.

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            • laslab@waag.socialL laslab@waag.social

              @martinvermeer @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork
              Undesirable output doesn’t feel right for me either, bur factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right. I would approach it from a control system view (yes, I’m an engineer :-P) and call it error accumulation or windup.

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              @laslab @emilymbender @Petesmom @Mimesatwork

              > factuality violation has a connotation that all other output is factual right

              But that is the case, even if only by accident!

              No, my reservation is that it suggests a formal error condition, like zerodivide or floating-point overflow, when in reality it is just a variant of normal operation. You cannot even know it happened until you, as a human, introduce external information...

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              • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                #74

                @emilymbender

                Super interesting topic, thank you. For wider adoption I think it would be desirable to find alternatives that are also neutral in their sentiment. I spent some time thinking about "agentic AI" where the proposed alternative was "probabilistic, unverified software manipulator" which I think is very far from neutral. What do you think about "language-guided iterative solver"?

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                • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                  Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                  https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                  #75

                  @emilymbender As we used to say, 'Knowledge wants to be free! But maybe it does not want to be anthropomorphized'

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                  • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                    Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                    https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                    #76

                    @emilymbender

                    « hallucination → undesirable output »

                    Why not a more straighforward "erroneous outpout"?

                    An undesirable result could a result that is accurate but that is not the one I am looking for. A made-up quote is more than undesirable, it is erroneous.

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                    • emilymbender@dair-community.socialE emilymbender@dair-community.social

                      Are you annoyed with the anthropomorphizing language being used in the "AI" discourse, but not sure how to talk about this stuff without it? Nanna Inie and I have got you covered:

                      https://buttondown.com/maiht3k/archive/how-to-talk-about-ai-without-adding-to-the/

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                      #77

                      @emilymbender

                      « Pronouns are chosen each time, and avoiding pronouns usually reserved for people (and pets), e.g. he, she, and singular they is a good first step. »

                      Isn't singular they "it"?

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