I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
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@ravenbait @kim @frincon @sundogplanets
It is very likely that kind of people is feeding all their email into an AI and only reading the briefs the AI generates for them, and skimming the answers. So the effect of that kind of warning is probably very limited.
But it can't do no harm.
@jcurioso @ravenbait @kim @sundogplanets if this is already where we are in academia (I don't think so, at least not in my immediate professional entourage), we might as well close shop
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@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait The recipient may perhaps not do it. The email platform may well do it. GMail? It will do it. It will also soak up opinions of all addressees in the email chain. How we get out of this I really don't know.
@Jeffrey @sundogplanets @ravenbait we are using institutional email adresses and have our own email servers usually for work.
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@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait If the goal is to actually prevent the text from ever being fed into an LLM then it's not going to work (because there are many contexts where emails get automatically subjected to LLM analysis without a human seeing them first), but if the goal is to appeal to conscientious people who would otherwise not think twice about manually running an LLM on the content, then yeah it could help.
@diazona @sundogplanets @ravenbait the context here is communication between academics with institutional email servers.
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@sundogplanets I'm a jerk and I don't care for prevarication so I would simply say "you have wasted my time, if I wanted LLM sludge I could have gotten it myself without going through you"
@mxchara That is probably what I would've said too.
"If I wanted to know what ChatGPT's output is, I would've prompted ChatGPT myself. What was your thinking process behind doing this? Do you think I can't use ChatGPT myself?
I've been called rude several times by now. Not that I care what idiots think of me, but they didn't change their behavior nor even see the issue.
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@diazona @sundogplanets @ravenbait the context here is communication between academics with institutional email servers.
@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait Ah yeah within that specific context it makes sense. (Assuming the institutional email servers are in-house, I guess)
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'd be at "thanks, do you still know anyone who can actually read? Maybe I can have them look at it."
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@frincon @sundogplanets @ravenbait Ah yeah within that specific context it makes sense. (Assuming the institutional email servers are in-house, I guess)
@diazona @sundogplanets @ravenbait They usually are, yes (there are exceptions but they remain exceptions).
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@mxchara That is probably what I would've said too.
"If I wanted to know what ChatGPT's output is, I would've prompted ChatGPT myself. What was your thinking process behind doing this? Do you think I can't use ChatGPT myself?
I've been called rude several times by now. Not that I care what idiots think of me, but they didn't change their behavior nor even see the issue.
@davidculley I suppose one could be quite laconic about it and simply reply with "all right, that's ChatGPT's opinion, but I still don't know yours"
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@iris @hosford42 @sundogplanets
Yes I too may have *gasp* gotten it wrong, it was a Anthropic-linked researcher who questioned if OpenAI used things he’d put into one of their tools.
@MCDuncanLab @iris @sundogplanets
Okay, well I'll keep looking. Thanks!
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets this happened to me, I got very, very angry. The coworker tried to apologize. I just went "I feel abused by a steam roller". We didn't talk to each other for 2 weeks.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets I'd just tell them thanks for nothing, but it's actually worse than nothing.
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@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets OK. What is supposed to be isn't what is. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. We all know they are stealing.
@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets The point is that the bot/agent/llm whatever doesn't have any permissions inherited from the user being sent a document for comment. It's simply illegal copying in same sense as uploading to file sharing and publishing the link on every social media.
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@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets The point is that the bot/agent/llm whatever doesn't have any permissions inherited from the user being sent a document for comment. It's simply illegal copying in same sense as uploading to file sharing and publishing the link on every social media.
@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets Yeah, it was given the document, and I'm 99.99% sure it sucked it into its system and will use it freely as it does everything else it illegally obtained. Thus my op on the subject. It's moot that it's illegal; it's what these "AI" monstrosities do.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets your reply should be based on consent. They violated you.
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@sundogplanets @ravenbait I wouldn't bother about saying it politely. I'd be furious.
@dissident @sundogplanets @ravenbait
I would be sorely tempted to say: Sorry you didn't have time to look over my work. If the future just let me know you're busy. Thanks...
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@raymaccarthy @ravenbait @sundogplanets Yeah, it was given the document, and I'm 99.99% sure it sucked it into its system and will use it freely as it does everything else it illegally obtained. Thus my op on the subject. It's moot that it's illegal; it's what these "AI" monstrosities do.
@RegGuy @ravenbait @sundogplanets
I don't think it is moot. -
I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
I asked for YOUR help, not chatGPT. If I had no environmental/ethical/cognitive concerns about this technology, I could have fed my document into the slop machine without your assistance.
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@iamnmm @sundogplanets Last time I talked to this specific person, he said that his job was "being a meat terminal for Claude". He said this with apparent *pride*.
I have avoided him since.
@datarama @iamnmm @sundogplanets
"We are the Borg. Cognition is futile."
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@sundogplanets one of my childhood best friends and I recently had to have this conversation and it was rough and I definitely yelled and cried. I can only imagine how much harder it will be with a colleague where you’re expected to maintain composure.
No advice, just sending some moral support. These tough conversations are how we work to dismantle this mess.
@mjg @sundogplanets I don't know but that "I asked for YOUR input. If I'd wanted input from ChatGPT, I would have asked ChatGPT." I guess I'm not understanding why any longer conversation is necessary.
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I asked a trusted colleague for comments on a written document and they fed it in to chatGPT and sent me back that output and I just want to cry.
Guess I won't be asking that person for help or advice on anything anymore. Enshittification happens in people's writing skills too, I guess.
I also have absolutely no idea how to respond to them. If you're that far down the genAI black hole I don't think pointing out the ethical/environmental/cognitive issues will help. Fuck.
@sundogplanets
Having been blown away by them once, you'd give them a second chance to be rude?
